I've been to a demo show and saw the rampage setup and really liked it. but our company felt it was too pricey to even consider buying it. The XITRON is a harlequin based RIP thier web site www.xitron.com. I have never seen a Brisque or even heard of it before, maybe a you could give me thier web address to check it out? Let me know.:D

The Brisque is from CREO and you can check it out here!
http://www.creo.com/global/products/...ue/default.htm

Great information
 

Please keep us posted once you are in production with your magazine. I wonder if Adobe would come give my company a demo. (I work for Continental Airlines). We only have a handful of mac users, but many adobe product users on the PC side. No where near as many machines as you.

How did you go about getting them to come?

Try calling them. Tell them you want to switch but are hesitant unless you can see it in action. Who knows, you might get lucky. I'm sure they would want to put Continental on their user list.

feel chipped
 

I just received my new computer (g5). Happy as all hell I got it all set-up in a matter of min.s.
Now it stands there right in front of me. I receive **** loads of work (in quark 4) and have to make changes for canada... I have my old version of quark 5, but I can not instal it on this machine, I need os9... which does not come with this machine.

I want to get my work done, and having a speedster of a computer is great. but Quark 6 sucks for not letting me safe as quark 4 files!

If anyone has a solution.
fire away
J

Well it's true you don't have OS 9 bootable, but you have Classic mode, right?

I haven't tried this but it should be possible to launch Classic (from System Preferences) and install/run Quark 4 or 5.

Also, a co-worker of mine reported an Xtention to save back down to 4 from 6. I'll ask him where he saw it.

Newbie Questions
 

I'm keen for my client to upgrade to Mac OS X from OS 9 however, QuarkXpress appears to be the standard in the UK, London. Until we find a replacement or buy-in to a stable OS X Quark - which appears not to exist! : (

Would they be able to *reliably* convert InDesign files to QuarkXpress 4 for print jobs (printers all appear to use Quark 4/5) without any data loss?

Would they able to import their previously created QuarkXpress files into InDesign without any data loss?

Cheers for any help you can provide!

Phil

You can open Quark Files, work with them, save them as InDesign without losing data.

If you want to convert your client to using InDesign, OSX would work for them. However, any new files they create should be done in InDesign or Quark 6. There are a lot of font problems with Quark 6. InDesign handles font issues better. I don't have any real life experience with it, though...

Unless your client has to switch over to OSX, Quark 6 does not offer anything worth the hassle than what the previous versions do.

I'm going to learn InDesign so I no longer have to use Quark 4. I wasted a lot of money on Quark 6, since font problems are numerous and not worth my client's time for me to fix them.

The other problem with InDesign is that not all printers and service bureaus are using it, yet.

I run OSX for other applications (Photoshop, Illustrator) and create in native when using Quark.

Biggest problem is with font management.

Save As.. .
 

Cheers for your reply! Do you know if you can 'Save As...' Quark 4/5 from InDesign?

Cheers,

Phil

I don't know that. I work on OS9 at work (Which is where I am now). I can check for you if you want later and respond. I think you can save as....I'll check for you later if no one else responds to you.

Re: feel chipped
 

I can speak from experience that XPress 6 sucks bad, and Quark Co. hates its customers as much as it loves money. That said, I have to express surprise when you say that your G5 doesn't come with Classic. I install about one G5 a fortnight and each one comes with Classic installed. If you delete it for some reason, you should be able to reinstall it from your Software Restore CD. This link may help.

Someone earlier mentioned that their Xitron RIP (effectively a Harlequin ScriptWorks RIP) doesn't like InDesign files. This also surprises me, since I have installed Xitrons into mixed InDesign/XPress environments with ease. I should also point out that dropping a Postscript file into a hotfolder is the preferred input method for the Harlequin RIP. Printing directly to an AppleTalk printer does not fully support all the RIP's options, and is deprecated. It's no shocker that the Xitron insists on PS files from InDesign, rather than PS streamed over AppleTalk.

And no, you cannot export Quark files from InDesign CS.

My $.02.
 

I switched to InDesign 2.0 over a year ago, and I have never looked back. Quark Express is a joke. Unfortunately A LOT of printers still use it. I'm getting around it by using Acrobat 5.0 to save everything as a PDF. So far I haven't had any problems (knock wood), but I don't regret dumping Quark... EVER.

Re: Re: feel chipped
 

That someone was me and dropping the postscript files from Indesign CS into a hotfolder is the only way I can get them to print, however after the file is printed the Xitron RIP will not accept any other files until it has been restarted. Any ideas on why? In fact ever since I sent the very first file from Indesign the Xitron rip has not acted correctly from then on. We know get into where the Xitron will work fine from one CPU printing to it, but when another one prints to it the Xitron errors out and the program has to restarted for it to function again. I don't know the extent of your experience with the Xitron Rips but we are using Navigator 5.1 rev2 running on a Pentium 3 600mHz running NT Server. If you could help us out or make some suggestions we would certainly like to hear from you.

I won't pretend to know what the problem is, but I can tell you that the Harlequin v5.1 is the first version to support Postscript Level 3, which is all InDesign uses. The ScriptWorks RIP is not an Adobe RIP, so it's possible there's a latent incompatibility in 5.1 which is revealed with InDesign.

Although I have spoken to a couple of trade houses using older versions of the HQ RIP with InDesign, I've never heard of the problems you describe. So sorry, but no help here. The exact error message from the RIP monitor might help.

Error Message
 

I know that one one of messages that we get alot when printing from Quark is the "No process at the end of pipeline". I have to get back to you on the other message when I see it come up again.

Re: Re: InDesign vs Quark 6
 

B&C,

In InDesign, to select objects in a layer beneath the top layer, you hit the command key when selecting the object, then click down through the layers with the command key selected.

I'm not sure what you mean by objects not snapping to guides. InDesign has had that feature since version 1.

Re: Re: InDesign vs Quark 6
 

B&C,

In InDesign, to select objects in a layer beneath the top layer, you hit the command key when selecting the object, then click down through the layers with the command key selected.

I'm not sure what you mean by objects not snapping to guides. InDesign has had that feature since version 1.

B&C Printing is missing so much by refusing to try and learn to use InDesign. Like so many others, we were also Quark users who tried ID just to find out what it had to offer. We never went back to Quark, especially when it inexplicably shut down its user forum. If B&C is into printing, he/she could always get help from the InDesign User to User Forum. The folks out there are very helpful and friendly. They know what they're saying because they are also (or used to be) Quark users.

I do use IndesignCS, I'm not knocking it, It has been improved allot from the previous version and from Pagemaker, However we cannot abandon Quark as we must have and use all the major type & design programs on the market as we can't dictate what kind of files our customers send us. If your a designer you can be one demensional, if your a printer you have to multi-demensional and right now my problem is that IndesignCS is a major pain in the @#$ when it comes to getting a file to our Xitron RIP. So far have yet to hear from anyone using a Xitron on this forum (except one, and they would not answer any of my questions). So that's my 2 cents worth, I did'nt want to get into who's program is better than anothers. I just wanted to get some solutions to the problems I'm having with Quark6 and fonts and IndesignCS and Rips. Please post a link to the forum you spoke of. Thanks

B&C, have you tried posting your questions in Adobe's InDesign forum? Or your RIPs forum?

We're attempting a test of InDesign with one of our titles next month. I'm hoping all will go smoothly enough to justify leaving Quark behind. Maybe we'll use it in Classic mode if we *have* to....

Do you know Quark had the audacity to tell me that they didn't 'support' having both 4 and 6 on the same machine?!?! What? They acknowledge the problem we had trying to have 4 for OS 9 and 6 for OS X on the same machine and dual boot when needed. (And for the record, they were different serial numbers - not even the same serial number to violate their copyright.) So it's not like you can dual boot if you wanted to ... it's all or nothing with them.