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anthlover 12-13-2013 10:20 AM

We use Dozens of Macbook Pro, Air and Retina with Mini Display Port to Display Port and HDMI without issue on Dell U24 Series monitors.

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 10:23 AM

You get full res on the Dells?

agentx 12-13-2013 10:35 AM

As i said we had issues with a fleet of Macbook Pro's and MDP-DP. I think they were MBP 5,5.
I am glad it is obviously resolved now. We have lots of 24inch Dells in service. I am sure on next refresh we will use MDP - DP cables.

agentx 12-13-2013 10:37 AM

Display port is supposed to be a new standard for high res displays to replace VGA & DVI.

1.0 to 1.1[edit]
DisplayPort 1.0 allows a maximum of 8.64 Gbit/s data rate over a 2 meter cable.[10] DisplayPort 1.1 also allows devices to implement alternative link layers such as fiber optic, allowing a much longer reach between source and display without signal degradation,[11] although alternative implementations are not standardized. It also includes HDCP in addition to DisplayPort Content Protection (DPCP).

1.2[edit]
DisplayPort version 1.2 was approved on December 22, 2009. The most significant improvement of the new version is the doubling of the effective bandwidth to 17.28 Gbit/s in High Bit Rate 2 (HBR2) mode, which allows increased resolutions, higher refresh rates, and greater color depth. Other improvements include multiple independent video streams (daisy-chain connection with multiple monitors) called Multi-Stream Transport, facilities for stereoscopic 3D, increased AUX channel bandwidth (from 1 Mbit/s to 720 Mbit/s), more color spaces including xvYCC, scRGB and Adobe RGB 1998, and Global Time Code (GTC) for sub 1 µs audio/video synchronisation. Also Apple Inc.'s Mini DisplayPort connector, which is much smaller and designed for laptop computers and other small devices, is compatible with the new standard.[12][13][14][2][15]

1.3[edit]
DisplayPort version 1.3 is not finalized yet, but the ultimate goal of DisplayPort v1.3 [16] is to support 8K resolution, which will either be 7680 × 4320 (16:9) (33.1 megapixels) or 8192 × 4320 (~17:9) (35.3 megapixels) or 4K 3D over a single cable. This results in a cable with a maximum theoretical bandwidth of 32.4 Gbps. With overhead removed, this will probably be closer to 29 Gbps. Other improvements include Display Stream Compression,[17] HBR3 and data channel

agentx 12-13-2013 10:40 AM

The Dell 24inch Displays are either 1920 x1024/1200 which HDMI can display no problem.
However HDMI out from MacMini will be set at 1920 x1080 thats why it won't work at full native resolution for your display.

anthlover 12-13-2013 10:41 AM

I get 1920x1280 from MDP to HDMI no problem on Both 13 Inch 2010 MBP or 2013 Retina. Also drove 1 Mini that came in for a Visit it was probably a 2010.


On the 24s Full Resolution is 1920x1280. I also have a 27 HangG Monitor at home though its the same res. We have a few 30s around I can try that are higher resolution. The only issues I have seen (mostly with Dell PCs and HP) are with Dual link Video. DVI as your probably aware has no less then a Dozen connector types. In any case I avoid DVI where I can. That said the majority of our 150 PACS systems have two Video Cards. One to Drive 4 Dell 24 Inch DVI monitors (our newer ones use Mini Display port directly also) and Pair of Barco Medical Monitors.

agentx 12-13-2013 10:52 AM

TBH never had an issue with DVI or Dual link DVI on Mac. Yes on PC a bit but TBH our PCs get bog standard displays for Admin using VGA or DVI. We have one or two programmers who has 4 x 24 inch screens off 2 cards on PC. The MD's have thunderbolt displays for their MBA/MBPs. Pretty much everyone else with laptops have Dell 2410/2412 in my deployments using MDP-DVI.

agentx 12-13-2013 11:06 AM

MY point was Ant that HDMI will not display full res on a 27inch screen.

anthlover 12-13-2013 11:10 AM

Agreed...
Think were mostly saying the same thing, feel free to correct me:)
Generally on a Mac:
1) I would recommend going with MDP to MDP/DP
2) Use HDMI port where necessary http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4214
On a Mini it maxes out at 1280x1200 1080P
3) Use DVI or Dual Link DVI if you have to but I avoid it
4) USE MDP to HDMI where necessary should not have same resolution limitation as the HDMI port on the MINI but will follow Cable and Monitor spec limits (EDIT)

agentx 12-13-2013 11:11 AM

LOL i agree we are ;-)

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 11:18 AM

I'm living in hope and expectation! Quaffing a few London Prides up here in Chiang Mai, so it can't be all bad... ;-)

anthlover 12-13-2013 11:20 AM

Please see (EDIT) 4) Above. Some could confuse MDP to HDMI Cable/Adapter and HDMI Monitor Port for HDMI port on Mac Mini the results can be different.

agentx 12-13-2013 11:28 AM

Drink your London pride forget about cables and resolutions until the damn thing arrives ;-)

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 12:03 PM

Ok, but AFAIK, that works (I'm using HDMI NOW) that works, but not at max res, right? Seriously cold here now!

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 12:05 PM

I will agents, but since, as I'm sure you know, Fullers bought George Gale and Co., it's just a shame they don't bring in HSB, As it's available in Honky Fid and Japan. :-(

agentx 12-13-2013 02:23 PM

Hdmi will work but you limited with resolution. Cannot run it native res.

Mmm HSB :-)

anthlover 12-13-2013 07:13 PM

You two make cause me to do UK related research to follow some of your posts:) We all learn new things everyday.

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 08:13 PM

Education is no bad thing anth, me old mate, me old cock sparra!

HSB is the ultimate real ale! IMNSHO!

The MDP-DP cable supports full res though, yes? That's what my Googling told me anyway. If it doesn't, then it looks like the monitor purchase was a waste of time and loads of money.

anthlover 12-13-2013 08:18 PM

Its been fun. Some of the two of you posts I am able to deduce at least after some back and forth. Others I have had to google. The Pride thing had me going for a minute:)

Yes the MDP port and cable will support the full resolution. HDMI can support higher resolutions too just not from the Mini HDMI port. The Dell 27 2560x1440 should be no problem.

GavinBKK 12-13-2013 08:41 PM

How about you go visit England around late June, early July and agentx and I will show you how to lie on the floor without holding on? That's a necessary skill after a handful of HSBs. ;-)

So, Christmas postal delays allowing, this cable should achieve my desired res then?


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