kde on fink 0.6 and panther
 

hi there...

after finally getting fink 0.6.0 installed on my new panther install yesterday, i went to install KDE ontop to try it out with the new apple X11. I was putting on the KDEbase3 package.

first thing i noticed was that in the list of packages it said it need to install, was X11, even tho that is supposed to be exluded. I wonder whether it would notice that later in the install?

I can't list the packages it said it needed, as they got scrolled off the log file and i cant reach them (using fink commander). surfice to say i was using a clean install of fink with nothing but curldev installed on it.

anyway, the install failed:

has anyone got any ideas why? should KDE be ok to compile and install on panther? I have never actually installed it before, but simply because i never had an X install. In recent days however, I have wished I had access to KDE for various unix utils, so i decided to give it a go.

anyway, from my understanding of it all, fink should know what it needs to install, download, comile and install all the needed bits (which it was doing)...so why did it fail on this package...and what is it?

anyone else managed to get this to work, or know a reason why it wont?

just as a postlog - i have just tried to put on nmap and before it would let me do so, it made me enter my password twice and then displayed this message:

the need to self-repair now hasnt got anything to do with it has it - ie a loss of permission to do the install (somehow) over night?


/edit: fold -mt

That info is in our FAQs here at the forums. After installing Apple's X11 in Panther, you need to install also the X11 SDK, which is on the Xcode CD (double click the X11SDK.pkg), and it is not installed by default.

Also, note that you do not need to install system-xfree86 anymore, fink is capable of figuring out your X11 version automatically in cases where you would have installed system-xfree86 previously.

If you still have an old system-xfree86 package installed, run the following commands:

Please, read: 88- Fink keep asking to install xfree86 after installing Apple's X11 1.0 in Panther
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...8020#post88020

jkp23, this has nothing to do with KDE, you need to find out why system-tetex is not working with your installed tetex. Have you installed tetex before on your own?

Anyhow, it just means you need to install both fink packages, tetex-texmf and tetex-base, as the message says.

But please, could you run in terminal.app the following:

fink -V
gcc --version
sw_vers

and post here the result.

cheers sao!

you do seem to be the fink guru round here....

so i have:

Im installing the SDK you talked about now, and i appologise for not reading all of the FAQ before.

One thing tho: My install is correct in telling me there are no binaries availible? I take it taht is just coz this distro is so new, and that they will be on the way soon via a fink -selfupdate?

also...just a note...this is a fresh install of everything, so there are no previous installs of any packages including that one i mentioned failed. any more pointers greatly appreciated.

Binaries not yet available...please read 'State of Fink' thread:
http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...threadid=16384
After installing the X11 SDK run again 'fink selfupdate' and then try 'fink install bundle-kde' from terminal.app

Having set the install of KDE just to use the defaults last time, I went through manually this time and saw what is probably the source of the problem:

So I can see that it was defaulting to install the placeholder package. seeing as I dont know what teTex is or if there is anything like it included with the default X11 install on panther, Im not sure what to do...

gonna have a look on the web and see what i can find, but if you know what it is or what to do please post.

Cheers

Update: I have had a quick look on the web and seems like i should go for option 2 and install the base package. Im giving it a go.

Yes, try that way, it will probably install tetex, tetex-base and tetex-shlibs

using the 'old' binaries?
 

So...does that mean that I could avoidhaving to compile _everything_ from scratch and just somehow temporarily revert to the 10.2-gcc3.3 tree - or at least have those binary packages as an option along side my existing 10.3 source tree?

If so, how would I tell fink to get a copy of that tree and offer me the 'old' binary files as an option?

I have just noticed that the binary list isnt out for that distro either yet, but are _some_ packages availible at least? or am i doomed to compiling everything until we get full bin dists for 10.3 and this other tree?

Probably in a couple of days, the Fink Developers will be releasing the binary distro. I already can see some binary packages in /sw/fink/10.3/stable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/

Just wait some...meantime....visita Búzios durante a semana, ideal para seu descanso, como você merece! :)

http://www.buziosbrasil.com/2001/con...ginas/pag4.htm

Beautiful place! Got a couple of friends living there...

E aí! Parece que você fala cara! Você é Brasileiro rapaz?

....and just to know
I just went to browse the online CVS and found nothing....where is it? URL for a dumbass could be cool.

thanks again Sao

Brasileiro? No, soy uruguayo... :)

So today, having got fink up and running and finiding the binary packages, i tried to put on kde (twice).

Having editied out start quartz-wm from my /etc/xinitrc and created .xinitrc with the following contents:

i get:

when i try to start.

I am using OS X 10.3, and the output from fink -V is:

The packages that have gone on are the latest I am assuming from this. this is getting to be like the quest for the holy grail! What the hell am i doing wrong???

not sure if this is of any relevance, but here is the output of trying /sw/bin/startkde from a terminal window in X11 (apple):

Then I get the standard X11 dialog with the message I posted before.

I have no idea what that means! HELP :)

I am having the exact same problems, just so you know... you're not the only one.

some info on what i did... installed from the 6.1 installer. did a binary install of bunde-kde-ssl. no problems with the installation. (as far as i can tell)

Package manager version: 0.16.0
Distribution version: 0.6.1

gcc (GCC) 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)

ProductName: Mac OS X
ProductVersion: 10.3
BuildVersion: 7B85

if you want anything else, let me know.. like the crash log file for kdeinit?
it's pretty much the same as his..
ommand: kdeinit (/sw/bin/kdeinit)
PID: 25463
Thread: Unknown

Link (dyld) error:

dyld: kdeinit Undefined symbols:
/sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib undefined reference to _FT_Access_Frame expected to be defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
/sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib undefined reference to _FT_Forget_Frame expected to be defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
/sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib undefined reference to _FT_Get_Long expected to be defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
/sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib undefined reference to _FT_Get_Short expected to be defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib
/sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib undefined reference to _FT_Seek_Stream expected to be defined in /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib


save us sao! :)
thanks for any help you, or anyone else, can give us.

It looks as if the file containing the definitions of the above symbols was not created correctly, probably because of an install-name /sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib, but a compatibility version higher than the actually existing /sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib.

Also, what are you getting when you run:

% ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib



PS: Please wait, I will check this further...

sao:

I get this when I check the link:

jamie

lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 21 3 Nov 17:44 /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib -> libfreetype.6.3.dylib

looks like this problem is being talked about here as well
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/f...&forum_id=3200

what would happen if we removed the existing qt3 package and then compiled it?

well at least its not just us. I'm beggining to lose a little confidence in my dealings with Fink! Im not sure what else im doing wrong, but I installed nmap and its corresponding front end, and im having the fornt end crash out when you set it to do anything!

if you get a chance score, could you install and test that for me? it only takes two mins, but i just want to be sure that its a prob with the binary distro and not my install!

anyway...heres waiting for some news on the kde prob.

i can try that this afternoon probably, but at the moment i'm compiling qt3-shlibs and i have to get to class soon. but i'll let you know once i do it.

jkp23, score,

I was already aware of that thread you posted. And I'm in contact with both Fink developers. You have a bit of a different problem. It's probably a qt3 problem.

It's not as simple as it looks. Please, could you both give me some more info:

1-You both have Apple's X11 1.0 installed, right?
If not let me know what version of X11 or Xfree86 do you have installed.

2-What version of qt3 you have and how it was compiled? This looks your qt3 was built with a different version of libfreetype.6.dylib than what you have now on your system. Run: 'fink list -i qt3'

3-What freetype2 packages do you have installed?
Check with 'fink list -i freetype'

Sao:

1: I have Apple X11 as boxed with panther.

2: 3: I hope that helps in the diagnostics....thanks again Sao.

jkp23,

Great, will wait to see if score has the same. Will come back in the morning. (It's very late here, I need to sleep)

xnmap crashes like you said. nmap from the gui works fine, as far as i can tell.
/sw/bin/nmap = ok
/sw/bin/xnmap = not ok

and i'm about to try reinstalling the bundle-kde-ssl binary while haveing qt3 already compiled from source. let's see if this works??

let you know later tonight

Which GUI? (nmap)
 

...what do you mean by 'nmap from the gui'? I have two ways of starting a gui as far as I can tell, but they both bring the same (non functional) program up.

that is:

/sw/bin/nmapfe
/sw/bin/xnmap

is there another gui i dont know about that works? btw: sorry I know this is a little off thread....if it carries on much longer ill start a new one. cheers score for testing that for me btw.

i should edit the previous post. nmap with a gui DOES NOT work. that is what i meant to say.. but i said the opposite. if you just try to use /sw/bin/nmap as a terminal application, you'll be ok. but i don't think that's what you want.

i have some good news and some bad news.
good news: i got kde up and running on my machine


bad news: i changed some things so i don't know how much help i'll be in figuring out the problem. but i'll give you the info., hopefully it helps a little.
1: apple x11 from panther

2: i qt3-shlibs 3.2.2-11 Cross-Platform GUI application framework

3: i freetype2 2.1.3-11 TrueType font rendering library, version ...
i freetype2-shlib 2.1.3-11 TrueType font rendering library, version ...


this is what i did differently to make it work as closely as i can remember.
1. using fink commander i enabled unstable.
2. using fink command line i purged qt3-shlibs (this also removed various parts of the bundle-kde-ssl installation)
3. using fink commander i installed qt3-shlibs from source (this got me 3.2.2, which was in unstable)
4. using fink commander i installed bundle-kde-ssl binary

and it works! ok, so.. this might be good for jkp23 because now (hopefully) you'll be able to run it.
and maybe this narrows it down a bit for sao?

anyways, thanks for the help!!! I would not have realized that i needed to purge/install qt3 unstable from source without reading your posts here and in on the fink list.

jkp23,

If you want to go with what score did, just let me know and that's fine with me.

But, if you want to find out what's really going on (we might get lucky), then continue with me.

Let's check if that symbol is in your libfreetype or not. Please, post the result of:

% nm /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib | grep _FT_Access_Frame

and

% nm /sw/lib/libqt-mt.3.dylib | grep _FT_Access_Frame

I don't see it in Panther, but see it in Apple X11-beta3.

It certainly looks like your libqt-mt.3.dylib was compiled while an older X11 was installed. Or could it be that your outdated freetype2-shlibs is the culprit?

Lets follow your logic Sao...
 

So,

just coz i would like to keep things as vanilla as possible, Im gonna follow your logic Sao, and try and sort this without having to recompile anything...

the output from :

predicatabily produces nothing. the second check on the sw lib produces:

So, as you say it looks as if the lib included with Panther is certainly different. What do you think would happen if we tried installing Apples X11 from thge new installer on their site? Do we think that this other version of the library could by chance be in there and that this is just a mistake...? Or do we think that we should be recompiling the fink stuff to agree with the new state of affairs?

So just to confirm....

I downloaded the Apple X11 install, and extracted

It also doesnt have the reference, and _is_ exactly the same file. So, this is no mistake. The final version of Apple's X11 contains a newer library, that doesn't have the symbols referenced in the qt3-shlibs binary that has been compiled for this distribution.

So am I right in assuming that if not us then somebody is going to have to recompile it for Panther and Apple X11 v1.0? Are there now going to have to be two versions, one for Apple X11 and one for the other distros which might still be using the other file?

At the end of the day, what I want to know is, should I just follow scores logic and recompile qt3-shlibs, as that does indeed seem like it is going to be the only solution right?

jkp23,

Sure, recompile qt3 (takes a long time) as it seems your copy of libqt-mt.3.dylib was compiled when a different version of X11 was installed. Let me know how it goes.

I am now seeing other problems with kde and Panther which may have or not the same source. Check the following thread:

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...threadid=17053

It seems at the moment, kde and Panther(quartz) are not working very well together.

so with these other probs, would it seem logical to wait for a proper panther distro of these binaries?

also, do we think the prob is only in these qtlibs, or perhaps other places too?

jkp23,

No, I think you should go ahead and do it. But be sure to follow the indications for Configuration and Startup of KDE adviced in 'fink info bundle-kde'.

score:

is there any way you could pack up your binaries and host them somewhere, or just pm me and ill give you some way of gettting them to me.

only that i'm guessing this compile is gonna take a _long_ time. it might be nice for others stumbling on this prob too, as it does seem that the prob is with those libs.

lemme us know.

cheers.

jkp23,
I'm also trying to get Nicotine running on my machine so since i checked this thread last, i've deleted sw and no longer have the binaries. Even if I did, my school is really anal about students uploading anything so I wouldn't be able to host or even send them anywhere. Installing qt3 from source only takes a few hours, and then the binaries for the kde bundle don't take long at all. Sorry I can't help you out. After I finish with nicotine, i might actually just go with gnome. I haven't used kde or gnome before and i'm just trying things out.

score,

I installed Nicotine using Fink in Jaguar and it's running very well in Panther too.

I ended up going with KDE in the end and i have nicotine working as well. I don't know what i'd do without nicotine. All the os x soulseek projects seem to go no where! here's to hoping that soleseek does not follow the pack...

but this is all off topic and just me rambling, so i'll stop.

Don't smoke so much...too much nicotine is bad for your health... :)

Nicotine (last picture is for you)

kde theme problem
 

NICE screenshot by the way :)


I'm having some problems with kde themes that maybe you guys could help me with. whenever i run ./configure for any theme i download, it returns this error
checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!


does this have something to do with the previous problems with qt i was having?? any thoughts? i had the feeling that this was a os x specific problem so i thought i'd post it here.

score

score,

Welcome to the club...:)

http://forums.macosxhints.com/showth...threadid=15875

Anyhow, from the Fink FAQ:

themes
 

Thanks for the help. I'm still unable to get the themes installed. However, I can get passed configure now. most things seem to fail on make install. oh well, perhaps i'll to wait and see if the themes show up in fink. some of those screenshots look quite nice, hehe

score