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darndog 10-28-2003 08:38 PM

I'm leaning towards the AXBS being faulty seeing as by now you have defiantly tried the reset procedure i linked to earlier?

Disconnect the LAN from the AXBS, turn off the other ABS, connect to the AXBS with your wireless laptop and check for the internet connection dropping.

If it still drops and you *really* have tried resetting the AXBS

repeat with the old ABS instead, check for the internet connection dropping with your laptop.

CM
|
ABS ) ) ) Laptop

If both BS drop the connection then connect a mac directly to the CM & test again. dD

hayne 10-28-2003 10:38 PM

The simplifications in your network suggested by darndog for diagnostic purposes seem like a good approach.

And did you track down what machine had the hardware address (0:a:27:d8:fa:98) that was mentioned in the error message?
Are you still getting this type of error message?

anthlover 10-28-2003 10:48 PM

Agreed:)
 
RE: Agreed:)

Send me to the Editor:)

Do Re-Read my post though if it the problem is not hardware related you will need to look at the other isuses....

Cholst 10-31-2003 04:57 PM

Problem isolated
 
So im stupid is what it boils down to. On apple's website they specifically say that you cannot have airport configured for both roaming and NAT, and low and behold that is the configuration i have. The only way i can think of fixing this is to put each hub on a different network, but im afriad that this would cause problems if i ever tried to do anything across the network. any other ideas
cholst
ps sry for wasting any of your time

anthlover 10-31-2003 05:39 PM

Glad it was not Hardware.
 
RE: Glad it was not Hardware.

Please read over Security suggestions in this thread.

Also Perhaps you can go with Just the Extreme Station and Bigger Attennas they Start at $30 bucks.....

Please note if you can Go All Exterme you also Get better Range. Or more Specfically better Real world Range/Speed. Means buying Extreme PC Card for machines that have 802.11b....

802.11b Gives Only 5mbs per sec Max and Drops down to 1mbs per sec quickly and even then sometimes it seems like .1 or .01 at the Edge of its range.

802.11g Gives About 25mbs per sec and rarely drops below 5mps per second.

Please note in a Mixed wireless network Extreme goes into Limp Mode and Essentailly becomes another 802.11b Base. While firmware updates have attempted to help fix. It really is not possible until wireless is a switched topology instead of hubbed/shared bandwidth Topology.

darndog 10-31-2003 05:40 PM

Look at the picture on page 41 and then read the section on Roaming and WDS Airport setup which starts on page 40 of this Apple pdf on Airport Network setup.

If the above link does not work you could try the one I posted earlier. :rolleyes: dD

hayne 10-31-2003 09:38 PM

It would make things very simple for you if you bought a router/switch box (very cheap nowadays) and let that router be your gateway to the cable modem. You could make that router be your DHCP server and then plug your Airport base stations into that router/switch and configure your Airport base stations to be in "bridge" mode - i.e. turn off NAT and DHCP on the ABS's. Then all your computers would get their Ip addresses from the new router box and all would be on the same subnet,

anthlover 10-31-2003 10:44 PM

RE: Goood/Nice Idea, though I stand by Other issues:
 
RE: Goood/Nice Idea, though I stand by Other issues: Security, Pure 802.11g (speed and range), and Attenna signal boosting points raised at various points in the Thread.....

One ?

Is It inadverant that you suggest the person plug into (wired connection) both Airports into inexpensive 4 port $30 to $60 router/switch e.g. Linksys 4 port, etc.?
"and then plug your Airport base stations into that router/switch and configure your Airport base stations to be in "bridge" mode - i.e. turn off NAT and DHCP on the ABS's. Then all your computers would get their Ip addresses from the new router box and all would be on the same subnet.."

I would of thought You meant Plug one ABS into Hardware router (as the point of using two ABS's) was one of the ways to create a larger wireless network....

But Do Point All Computers and ABS's to Wired Router for DHCP/routing and do have ABS's in Bridge mode as suggested.

Good Luck.

darndog 11-01-2003 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hayne
It would make things very simple for you if you bought a router/switch box (very cheap nowadays) and let that router be your gateway to the cable modem. You could make that router be your DHCP server and then plug your Airport base stations into that router/switch and configure your Airport base stations to be in "bridge" mode - i.e. turn off NAT and DHCP on the ABS's. Then all your computers would get their Ip addresses from the new router box and all would be on the same subnet,
Hayne, An extra router/switch is unnecessary, Cholst is wrong in thinking his network will not support NAT and Roaming. all he has to do is set up 1 Basestation as DHCP server & 1 as Bridge mode. This is fully explained in the .pdf I linked to in my last post and the 4th post of this thread. dD

hayne 11-01-2003 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by darndog
An extra router/switch is unnecessary, Cholst is wrong in thinking his network will not support NAT and Roaming. all he has to do is set up 1 Basestation as DHCP server & 1 as Bridge mode. This is fully explained in the .pdf I linked to in my last post and the 4th post of this thread. dD
Okay - that's good to hear. It seemed strange that there was a problem with doing it that way - and I confess I didn't read the PDF your referred to. Thanks.

Cholst 11-01-2003 11:06 AM

Well iv read the pdf. I do have one set up as a dhcp server and the other as a bridge. I think the problem must then be in the aXbs b/c when i use the old base station as a dhcp server i encounter no problems, I have not however plugged in the new Base station as a bridge but so if there is no problem with using nat and roaming, and its not some other setting then i may be forced to switch the BSs which is not preferable becuase the old one doesnt have an antenna port
-cholst
ps
ive tried reseting it, but i still have problems

darndog 11-01-2003 11:49 AM

If you can get a basic setup working like so:
Code:

      CM
        |
    AXBS(DCHP)  ~  Laptop
        |
      SWITCH
    /    |  \
  M1  M2  M3

then you could add the old Basestation as part of a WDS network:
Code:

      CM
        |
    AXBS(DCHP)  ~  Laptop ~ ABS(Set as Remote)
        |
      SWITCH
    /    |  \
  M1  M2  M3

However I would suggest setting IP addresses manually throughout a Roaming layout will give more predictable results. (don't forget to add DNS servers on all the Mac's)
Code:

      CM
        |
      AXBS  ~  Laptop ~ ABS(Bridge)
        |                |
      SWITCH -------------+
    /    |  \
  M1  M2  M3

I realise that this is pretty much your old setup, but there is nothing wrong with it, the only thing I can think of that will be screwing it is either the old BS is still distributing DCHP, the new AXBS is faulty or you have missed some setting somewhere, removing DHCP altogether and using Fixed IP's (all in the same subnet) should further clarify the situation. dD

Edit/ insure 'internet sharing' is disabled on all Mac's.


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