While I am sure you are correct 0 normally is Equal to unlimited aka Never
 

While I am sure you are correct for Eudora

0 sometimes is Equal to unlimited aka Never Delete:

Many mail clients default behavior is to delete and if you put in a number of days 1 to X it saves it for that many days.

Re: While I am sure you are correct 0 normally is Equal to unlimited aka Never
 

Which by that reasoning, you would think that 'keep on server for 0 days' would mean delete immediately, therefore not keeping the mail for more than 0 days?

Leaving that field blank would mean leave mail on server indefinitely. However, since no one actually has tried it yet but glories in saying that it's wrong, I will try it and see.

So, 0 does appear to be the same leaving it blank. Please don't bother with choruses of 'I told you so', guessing != trying. ;)

:)
 

:)

Was not disagreeing.

Zero is either "Never" or "Now". Usually Never. (aka Never Delte or Delete Now).

Every Application is of course unique all these decisions were up to the programmer.

Thanx for running the Test

1. Obviously, you're ignoring YOUR ignorance regarding the checkbox. Maybe you've learned since then, but your original post remains incorrect.

2. As I stated, the setting only affects mail that was manually deleted by the user to Eudora trash. But you completely ignored that detail, thus your post was incorrect.


Your original post was completely wrong, and your attempt to hide that fact or argue about it is not very admirable.

Re: Re: While I am sure you are correct 0 normally is Equal to unlimited aka Never
 

I agree that's a reasonable expectation, but it is not how many applications behave.

In such cases, the zero represents an unlimited number days, rather than zero days. It's a shortcut used by programmers for applications that only support a limited finite number. Allowing zero to represent an unlimited number gives the user an extra option.

I agree that zero should mean zero, but that is not always the case.



Although I said I did not try zero, in the past I have tried entering large numbers and the parameter was finite (at least in older versions). This, combined with the fact that the standard setting to delete mail immediately includes checking the checkbox, it was likely Eudora would leave mail indefinitely.


Thus, I told you so.

Yellow, your original message clearly indicated you did not know how Eudora works, for reasons stated previously.

Further, yellow, YOU are the one who made your ENTIRELY INCORRECT claim originally, WITHOUT doing any testing.

Play Niice:)
 

Play Nice:)

... To Summarize there are three sets of Behaviors to be concerned with in regards to mail on server and Clientt side switch settings.


1) Is mail Deleted after Downloading to a single system

2) Is mail Deleted after downloading and Moved to Eudora Mail Trash (by Clicking Delete button or Delete message Icon).

3) Or Is mail Deleted After Empyting of Eudora Trash or ( Long Clicking/Right Clicking Delete message form Server (assuming that is even a Eudora option).

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In the case of Eudora I have no first hand knowledge of these switches.

Good Luck.

Re: Re: Re: While I am sure you are correct 0 normally is Equal to unlimited aka Never
 

I cannot find where it is clear that I don't know how Eudora works. What I didn't know was how the original poster was expecting Eudora to delete messages. That being a fairly important step in figuring out how to fix this problem. Be that as it may, my original post was was made in an attempt to help the user figure out what the problem was. Not being anywhere near a machine with Eudora at the moment made it difficult to test before suggesting. So part of my final suggestion was incorrect. But I try to test and make sure that I'm right before telling someone else that they are wrong. But that's just me. Flamed. Annoyed. So thank you, oh great and powerful oz for the partially useful clarification. I'm sure we're all a little more enlightened by your presence behind the curtain.

Anyway.. bengreens, is your Eudora log casting any light on the situation?

Re: Re: Re: While I am sure you are correct 0 normally is Equal to unlimited aka Never
 

So, Peaved, where you come from is everybody really rude to other people or are you just a special case?

You've been asked before (multiple times) to at least make a stab at trying to be civil to others here. Is this possible or not? If not, go annoy somebody else. I suggest these guys.

There's no attempt or effort on my part to be rude to anyone. I'm not responsible for how others respond to my posts.

Craig, I've been flamed by you and other moderators far more times than I could be accused of. At least all of my posts attempt to contain useful information.

The only intention in any of my posts is to provide accurate information, or clarify facts or opinions being discussed.

Sorry if anyone is offended. And sorry if this is not the proper place to post this kind of message, but it is a response to Craig's post in this thread.

Actually, you are, in part. If I call someone a jerk and they get upset, it would be disingenious for me to blame it all on their interpretation of my remarks.

Some of your posts seem unduly contentious; maybe that's just the way you talk, but there's no need to denigrate when disagreeing with others. Take responsibility for your actions and show a little more willingness to communicate good-will and a benefit-of-the-doubt with others, who are, after all, only trying to be helpful.

Phil

Phil,

I agree with your point.

However, take a look at my posts in this thread. The strongest language I used was [paraphrased] yellow did not know how Eudora operates. This was backed up with facts behind my opinion. And, it was limited to the specific details of the items being discussed.

That is NOT anything close to a flame, NOT anything close to "calling someone a jerk", NOT a valid reason for anyone to get upset, and, arguably, NOT even a rude thing to say at all.



At worst, perhaps annoying. But, far less annoying than incorrect information wasting people's time.

The constant accusations against my postings are misplaced. I try to do my part, but it is only more difficult when moderators are posting flames of their own, or tacitly allowing other flames against me to escalate.

Sensativity and Flame is context Speciefic
 

Sensativity and Flame are context Speciefic:

People that know each other well can be harder on each other and even enjoy the reporatie.

Please note it is not necessary to use Explitives or merely unkind words to Offend another human being.

Most People are extermely sensative to even constructive criticsim. Pointing out Firmly misktakes and saying you must not know or did not check will be taken as harsh (particualry if you critiqing a field they are suspposed to be expert in).

If you catch someone making an inccorect statement it is more socailly Palatable to use language like Perhpaps you missed X, or I suspect you may have made an error etc.

Hope this Helps kids

whoa, and the latest news
 

Yow, what have I touched off here? Deep breath, everyone, and revenons a nos moutons, as the sheepherder said, unbuckling his pants.

Yellow, to answer your question about what the Eudora log reveals, see my earlier post with the log entry. I don't know how to interpret it.

Last night I renamed my Eudora folder and hid it in the trash (and the Eudora application folder for good measure), then rebooted, installed a fresh copy of 6.0b26, rebooted again, entered fresh Eudora settings, sent myself a message, downloaded it, then opened Mail.app and checked mail, and downloaded the same message again.

Today I'm trying the 'leave on server for 1 day' approach, to see if Eudora deletes tomorrow. But I'm not very optimistic.

Will keep you posted.

Make nice!:)

Bengreens
 

FWIW, you can set your clock ahead 1 day and test now to see if it'll delete after 1 day.

If it was deleteing at download, (in the Eudora log) I would expect to see something more along the lines of:

Quote:

77598048 16:0.1.40 "The macosxhints Forums Mailer", Reply to post 'Eudora not deleting messages from server' 77598048 2:0.1.43 Successfully received The macosxhints Forums Mailer, 07/30/2003 2:36 PM -0400, Reply to post 'Eudora not deleting messages from server' (1) MAIN 16384:0.1.56 Transfer “The macosxhints Forums Mailer,Reply to post 'Eudora not deleting messages from server'” “000001”->“In” MAIN 16384:0.1.56 Delete “The macosxhints Forums Mailer,Reply to post 'Eudora not deleting messages from server'” from “000001”

bengreens,


There is no need to wait one day to test your Eudora behavior.

You can uncheck "Leave on server nn days", and mail is deleted immediately after you receive it.

Actually, that is not quite true.

1. Check your mail.
2. Check your mail again. The messages you received previously are first deleted, then you receive any new messages.

You should display the Task Progress window, so you can see what is happening. Open it under the Windows menu.


Also, Eudora shows you which messages are on the server or not. The column after message size and before subject will contain a little icon if the message is on the server.


Deleting messages in Eudora will NOT delete the messages from the server. Such messages are only moved to the trash folder, and treated as any other messages with respect to the server, except for Emptying Trash. When you empty trash, the messages are deleted from the trash folder. They remain on the server, however, unless the setting to delete from server when emptying trash is checked.


As for fiddling with your preferences files and settings, or checking logs, IMHO it is a waste of time. Eudora is an extremely reliable application. It even maintains its own backup of your settings, and it is highly unlikely for settings to be corrupted.




Good luck, and hope this helps.

*Sigh* They why doesn't Eudora delete his mail from the server when in it's default config (deletion as soon as it is transfered), and how would you trouble shoot it?

Thoughtful Posts
 

Thoughtful Posts:

However, I think we are back where we started unless B. tells us otherwise:

1) All Settings are correct (Yet Eudora on his machine no Delete with correct settings).

2) Apple Mail, Entourage, not Preferred but worky. No Update on overcoming issues related to Attachments.

3) B. For fun as Earthlink lets you make 8 accounts for the price of 1 do you want to try "test account.earthlink.net" or whatever.
****** Perhpaps the problem is email server specefic with you account?

*** Also Have you had access to antoher computer with Eudora where this Strange Eudora behavior does or Does not Occur with your account???

Good Luck.

Bengreens, I see that you had this from your log:

Quote:

Sat Jul 26 02:30:30 2003 MAIN 16384:0.7.25 Transfer "_____,argh! testing" "000001"->"In" MAIN 16384:0.0.1 Delete "_____,argh! testing" from "000001"

But this mail wasn't actually deleted from the server?

Again, that is incorrect. Eudora NEVER deletes mail as soon as it is transferred.

Read my previous post regarding how Eudora deletes mail. It will NOT delete until the next time you check mail.

Sorry, I don't have time to explain how to troubleshoot.

Eudora, however, is the least likely source of the problem here.

Perhaps you're using an older Eudora client.

I just sent myself some test mails, checked that it was there and marked as new in pine, checked mail in Eudora and downloaded the new test mails, went back to pine and the mails are gone. Deleted. Just to be sure, I checked my spool in /var/mail/. No test mails. Explaination?