What benefits are there for running OS X.2.7 on your G3?

Jacques

the benefit is in the clone
 

The benefit, besides making apples statement that it won't work into a falsehood, is that i do not need to keep two disk images around. Let me explain: When you are building many machines for clients and the like you need to clone them, much like using ghost on WinTel or RevRDist on OS9. It makes it easier if you can set up an entire room of machiens with a just a few minutes of typing commands. So, the benefit is not in the fact that it is 10.2.7 but rather in that it does not die. So I can set up one G5, just right, with everything I think a user should have, make a cloned disk image, put it on my server, and build as many machines as I want, regardless of what level G-chip they have. If it did not work on older machiens I would need an image from a G4 and an image from a G5, not a big deal, but annoying.

I hope that explains it.

ps
I fixed the default setup issue, i had accidentatly reset it before i made the clone, found the proof when I went back to original G5 machien and looked. oops.

Remade clone, works fine now.

Knowmad
(edited for BAD spelling)

Nice. Now I know that I can tackle a similar project without worrying about it flat-out never working.

If you wnat i will make my ASR usable, read only, compressed disk image of my G5 setup available for download. I have a T1, as long as you promise to download between 5pm and 9am New York Time. (unless soemone tells me there is a problem with this legally speaking)

Speaking of setup for a new machine..... I think I will start a thread asking what everyone thnks should be basic setup for all machines.
knwomad

Houston, we have no problem at all !
 

Hi there,

I just wanted to mention that I received my tiny 1.6MHz G5 yesterday. The whole staff in my office got new machines: mine is the only Apple, the others are kindof 1.8 GHz PCs with pretty much the same peripherals like my G5.

First of all, you can be certain that everybody stared at the box and the way I celebrated the unpacking... Every little thing I found was treated like an easter egg and carefully put on my desk. How nice is it to get a DVD-R and a CD-R enclosed to test the optical drive right away? People stared at me, opening the case with one latch, looking at the nice internals, installing extra RAM and closing it again. My G5 resides on top of my desk, the others hide their Boxes beneath the desk.

I did the standard installation of the G5 that came with it while my collegues unpacked hundreds of brown papers and loveless plugged their things together. Then I mounted my old Powerbook G4 via Firewire and copied the public directories, /Library and /Applications in no time and merged it with the new system. Then I created the 5 users that I have manually and copied their home diretories over.
By that time my collegues had BIOS settings open and the smartest figured out that they needed to install a special driver for the onboard RAID-controller before manually partitioning and formatting the drive...

OK, I spent 2 hours or so to install current versions of mysql and PHP and copy several Websites over, but that was mostly because I changed the directory-structure and set it up from scratch. It took not more than yesterday afternoon and in the evening I had some time to enjoy the speed (compared to the 400MHz TiBook). Oh - they didn't give me a second IP adress so the TiBook couldn't get one. The Download and installation of IP_over_Firewire from Apple took 5 minutes and works perfect. The G5 is the Gateway to the internet and the TiBook has Firewire-networking to it. Now they share Files with 400Mbit which is even more than the 100Mbit Network of the office...

I'm the first in the office today, because I can't wait to work with the new machine. I have had no problems at all and really love the new setup. Everythings up and running and I even fixed some problems because of installing a new machine from the scratch. I got rid of some evolutionary grown glitches and set them up correctly now.

OK - there is one problem about the new machine: The others are coming now and trying to install WinXP on their machines. Since I have no more work with my own machine and do know XP very well, they want me to help them getting around all the hundreds of problems they have with their machines...

OS 10.2
 

is now like windows

full of bugs

How fast is the dual G5? - Fast!
 

We've been working on an After Effects project that is 43 seconds in length. Rendering time, as you may, know is the big question when it comes to After Effects. We began rendering our composition on both a 1 Ghz Xserve and a dual G4 864 with 768MB RAM.

The Xserver worked for 22 hours to render 9 seconds of the clip and estimated another 65 hours to complete the entire clip! The dual G4 was a bit better but not by much, so we headed down to the Apple Store (Burlingame, CA) and picked up a dual G5.

The results? Rendering the same clip the dual G5 pounded out the same 9 seconds in 5 hours and needed only a total of 11 hours and 43 seconds to render the entire 43 second clip. Awesome!

The bottom line is if you want one, go get it. You won't be sorry. Its one fast machine!:)

got my G5 dual Monday. I'm recuperating from surgery so haven't done everything with it I'd like. One caveat is that the PCI USB card I'd purchased ahead of time will not fit inthe newer style PCI slots. When I called apple for recommendations, got put on hold and finally gave up. I managed with the available USB slots by using the one on the keyboard for the printer.
-- speed: yeah howdy. although my previous reference was a G4 400mhz at home and a G4 Mirror at work, this is a noticeable speed jump. I can especially tell in render-intensive games. Freehand MX now performs at acceptable speeds and photoshop is almost thoughtspeed for operations that used to be clunky.
This is all subjective, of course.
VPC won't work on the G5, which I knew from other posts here at the forum, though that is a little frustrating, I can get around it.
-- Storage and transfer: I wisely purchased an extra SATA drive so that I could boot back and forth. I immediately partitioned that drive and transferred over my previous OSX partition from the G4. This was a breeze since I'd purchased a firewire enclosure. I simply popped out the old HD and inserted into the enclosure, plugged enclosure into front firewire port and used carbon copy cloner to transfer, repaired permissions, worked like a charm.
I then used the restore disc to archive install over that transferred partition (since it wouldn't boot the dual), then deleted the previous system folder. Once I'd done that, I repartitioned the factory SATA drive into three partitions and carbon copy cloned the now properly bootable OSX from the old G4 onto a a partition on the factory HD.
Now I had two bootable partitions internal in the G5. From there I continued to transfer other odds and ends, like library and music, that sort of thing.
In all, it took about 6 hours from setup, transfer to raring to go. Considering I had about 100 gigs of stuff to transfer, no small feat.

I'm recuperating from neck surgery, and can't lift over a pound, so a kind neighbor volunteered to do the actual heavy lifting under my vocal direction.
looking at the G5 insides is a tech wet-dream. Installing extra ram a cinch, and the new connectors for the second SATA drive are slick and easy.
Except for the incompatible PCI card, there were no hitches.

And Diablo runs in real time...woohoo! No one lives forever wouldn't even run on my G4 400 but lives comfortably on the G5 with 3d acceleration.

It took forever to get here, but man is it worth it.

My 2 G5's worth..
 

Hiya, well i've just received 2 G5 dual 2 gigs and i must say they're the best macs i have ever seen, used or caressed ( ;o) ). They're almost silent and look like the dogs bolox on the desk. They weigh a tonne and the handles are far from easy to use but hey, who's going to carry these behemoths very far?
Can't wait until apple bring out a fully 64 bit os to make full use of the chips, but for now i'm happy with 10.2.7..
Conclusion, the dual G5 rocks!
Dave

I can say I only have had to service 1 G5 since they have been out. It was for a defective super drive (the drive door would not open, probably damaged in shipping). So, I can say these machines are built pretty good. Usually when any new system (PC or Mac) comes out I will always have to fix a few of them right off the bat. The G5, however, has been pretty solid and I have only had to repair one.

We've only had to work on one G5 so far. One of the Dual 2s that we got, ironically, the drive door wouldn't open. The tray would try to open, and hit the door. Found that the drive and metal shield weren't aligned properly, adjusted it, and now it works fine.

Dulie G5 Sweet wish it could stay on my Desk
 

Well we got a Dulie in the Shop today.... Paired with a Cinema 23.

For those people Cloning around I tried the reversi trick Starting the G5 in FW target mode.

Instead of Pushing a G5 10.28 image down to a new system..

I tried Pushing a Quick Silver 867 (10.28) image with Tons of Apps and Data onto onto the G5 Dulie.

Would not boot, though Cloned Sucessfully with CCC.

**Did a little Trick that still makes it worth while. I then Ran G5 included DVD OSX Installer with Archive and Install Option (with user prefs).

The end result of both procedures was as if the straight clone had been sucessful.

Well worth the time savings.

I had a dual G5 come in a week or so ago to my shop. It was having intermittent usb problems. Randomly the keyboard/mouse would not work if plugged into the cinema display. I quickly duplicated the problem with 3 more G5s. So, I then next contacted apple and they said that updating from 10.2.7 to 10.2.8 (G5) would fix this problem. I loaded 10.2.8 on the users machine and have not received anymore complaints about it.

Does Cloning kill application authorizations?
 

Hi,
My audio setup takes up to a week or so to get running perfectly. Four major applications but 30 or more plugin authorizations, some challenge and response that take days to get sorted. Is there a way to clone a working backup system for me that does not break all the authorizations. Some challenge and response authorizations use the ethernet address as well, if the drive is going in the same machine is it ok?
If one is upgrading to a new machine, is this possible?
studiogeek

CCC Carbon Copy Cloner
 

CCC Carbon Copy Cloner

http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

I'm contemplating retiring my old beige G3 and jumping right to G5 after seeing the dramatic drop in price on the 1.8GHz G5 1GB RAM 160GBhd with the Superdrive. Its the single processor.
Is this a good machine and should I grab it while they are left or should I find a top G4 dual? Or any suggestions? thanks :)

yes
 

hiya Dawn, yeah the single G5 1.8 is a nice machine. A friends mother uses her's all day for her own business and after having worked on it a few times, i can say it is indeed a nice machine, very snappy and quick. Obviously not as quick as a dual g5 in hardcore photoshop operaions but in general osx work there's very little difference..
Hope that helps some, Dave

Yeh, it helps, thanks! :) ...now if I can just find a store open on a sunday so I can put my order in! :D :)

Apple On Line Store is Open 24/7 and Apple Stores and Tek Serve is open Sunday
 

Tek Serve is a Local NYC institution.

Good Hunting.

Apple software striped RAID against extern single HD
 

I can't find the article I read in MacAddict not long ago, but it was about an external firewire HD that was faster than a striped RAID.

I first was planning on buying the striped raid option with my G5, but this sounds even better..

Anybody have more info about this?


Leon Buijs,
Rotterdam