swapfiles...
 

as far as to pair or not to pair Dimm sticks--I'm no CS grad, but is that a surprise when you're playing with 32 + 32 bits?
Anyway I looked at a 1.6Ghz in Micro Center this evening.
this had the default 256MB, in two 128's. I checked the swapfiles, since my dual 1Ghz MDD is fond of adding extra ones up to 400MB at most. (I do plan to change that.) This puppy had no internet connection, and no software but the default--and had run up to 256MB of virtual. So this is a 64 bit computer, folks. They probably shoudn't be turned on at less than what, a gig? Another thing, the swapfiles were two 64MB files and one 128MB (!?) I was good. I really don't like MC, but I rebooted it for the benefit of Mac fans. At which time it itwas on song at 64MB of virtual, as opposed to our more prosaic 80MB.:D

No Virtual PC for G5 Macs
 

http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=07325

Umm...so we're waiting for Microsoft to make VirtualPC work on a G5 Mac? Whoo boy.

We got our first 1.6s and 1.8s at work last Wednesday, and I've been playing around trying to get bochs to run on the 1.8. So far I'm fairly impressed with it considering it's an open source non optimized application. It's definitely not something I'd want a normal consumer trying to use, but it seems at times faster and at times slower than VPC on a dual 1.25 G4.

I love the way the latch for the side door works (including its locking loop). The AirPort antenna scares the hell out of me (I can see people snapping them off inside of the plug now... *shudder*), but at least it is rubber, so it will bend a little.

If anyone is wondering, I contacted Dr. Bott about the PCI TV tuner they sell, and it is 5v only, so currently no 1.8 or Dual 2.0 G5 compatibility, but the manufacturer is working on a new card.

Virtual PC
 

My microsoft rep tells me there will be a version for G5s sometime in 2004. However you can just buy a cheap PC to run office like apps for around $400.00 USD.

Also I think that VPC will be 2000/XP only for the newer macs. The rep mentioned they may not make a 98 version. However, we will not know until it comes out.

If VPC works (i.e., if Microsoft doesn't confuculate it), it will work with any PC operating system, from DOS 3.3 to OS/2 to XP or Slackware.

Meanwhile, I'm on a laptop and I ain't lugging around a damn PC. So this is a deal-breaker. I'll keep my old laptop until a G5 laptop is available and a version of VPC exists to run on it.

Sorry I don't really use VPC. Then why do they sell VPC seperately now in XP/2000/98 versions? I have seen them in seperate boxes. I have seen an XP home edition VPC, and a 2000 Pro VPC. Currently we do not carry the 98 version at my work. Not to mention microsoft has already dropped any support for win 3.11 and win 95. Windows 98 is pretty much completely phased out as well. Microsoft will be dropping all support for 98 as well soon.

So I would not doubt it if VPC only comes out in win2k and XP editions for the next versions. Also, I bet they come seperately.

I did not mean it will only work w/ 2000/xp networks. I meant it only comes in those 2 versions.

Vitual PC Alternative
 

OpenOSX offers G5-accelerated WinTel emulator
By Peter Cohen pcohen@maccentral.com
September 03, 2003 8:55 am ET

Power Mac G5 owners looking for an alternative to Virtual PC may be interested in OpenOSX's announcement release on Wednesday of WinTel v1.0.1. It's a new version of the open source "Bochs" PC emulator. The new version of WinTel is now accelerated for Power Mac G5s, according to the company.

Bochs is an open source IA-32 PC emulator written in C++. The software's main purpose is to act as a PC emulator, like Microsoft's Virtual PC program. It can be used to run operating systems designed for Intel-compatible PCs on non-Intel hardware, and has been used with various flavors of Linux, Unix and Windows. WinTel is OpenOSX's specific implementation of Bochs aimed at Mac OS X users.

OpenOSX offers a number of open source applications for Mac OS X. The company's goal is to provide Mac users with popular Unix software "in a friendly, Mac environment."

WinTel specifically comes with 10 different open source operating systems pre-installed, including various flavors of Linux, FreeBSD and more. OpenOSX noted that it has tested WinTel will Windows 95, 98, 2000, NT 4.0 and XP Professional, although the company does not recommend XP or 2000 because of speed issues. OpenOSX's WinTel release comes with a single-click installer.



In late August, Microsoft confirmed with MacCentral that its Virtual PC emulation software, acquired earlier this year from Connectix Corp., will not work on the Power Mac G5. Users who launch the software on their G5s get an error message noting that the software is incompatible with the CPUs in their Macs.

Microsoft attributed this incompatibility to the G5's lack of support for pseudo little-endian mode, and said that the software would be updated to support G5s in the future, though the company stopped short of volunteering a schedule for when this will happen.

WinTel is apparently not restricted by this issue, because OpenOSX noted that the new release "delivers increased performance on the new PowerMac G5," along with newly updated software, added features, and enhanced performance and stability.

A download-only release is available for US$25. OpenOSX also sells WinTel on CD-ROM for $30. Book bundles and 6-month subscriptions are also available. More details can be found on the Web site.

tlarkin:Virtual PC ships with various PC operating systems bundled and preinstalled. That doesn't keep you from buying up a plain old OS install CD and installing one of them instead, though. I purchased Virtual PC version 1.0 waaaay back when with Windows95 preinstalled/bundled. Since then I've generally upgraded only to stripped-down packages that had nothing but the newer VPC application itself and some updater PC-executables that would update drivers and whatnot within the emulated PC environment itself.

I installed Windows NT Server 4.0 over a duplicate of my W95 environment, using a regular Microsoft install CD. (And periodically installed the service packs). Later I duplicated my NT environment and installed Windows 2000 Server on top of it from, again, Microsoft install CD. On a lark, I bought up a set of Windows 3.11 (Windows for Workgroups) installation diskettes from eBay along with DOS 6.22 or whatever DOS it was that you needed, and using an expansion bay floppy drive installed DOS and then Windows 3.11 onto a blank disk image. Had to find and download the W-311-compatible drivers for the Trio S3 video card and the ethernet card to get them to work.

When I upgraded to VPC version 3.0, I, on another lark, opted for the version that had Linux Red Hat bundled with it. From that VPC CD I can create a hard disk image that has Linux preinstalled. However, it shipped also with regular Red Hat installation CDs so I could hand them off to another owner of VPC and that person could install Red Hat the same way a PC user would, from scratch. (And I may try that myself one of these days).

All of these drive images work normally under MacOS X although of course they were created before the OS X era. I haven't tried installing a PC OS from native installation media under OS X but as far as I know it works the same way.

VPC ships with 98/2K/XP in order to save you the hassle of doing the install, and for your convenience if you, as a Mac user, do not happen to already have your hands on the PC install media. If you prefer Windows95 or OS/2 or NT 3.5 or something, though, you have to do it yourself. If (as would indeed seem likely) Microsoft stops shipping VPC with 98 bundled, you'd just have to pick up a copy of W98 on eBay or from your brother or whatever and install it yourself.

Unless, as I said, Microsoft changes the way VPC works and prevents you from installing and using any PC operating system that you want to use, which has always been the status quo for VPC under Connectix.

When VPC was still sold by connectix, you could also buy a DOS version, so that you could get it fairly inexpensively, and use your existing Windows install CD.

We were told mid 2004 by our Microsoft rep as well, which is why I started bashing away at bochs. (Evertime I start an install, someone stops it to show off the G5!). ;)

Detailed G5 Photo Gallery
 

Here abides a gorgeous photo gallery of the G5 with explanations, suitable for a museum!

Jacques

Re: Detailed G5 Photo Gallery
 

ha! the A5 rebuttal is not to be missed!

Hmm I just run windows and linux on PCs. Never really bothered with VPC at all. I have worked with it here and there but I prefer to just run it on a PC and not a mac.

Thanks for the total insight of VPC, I am sure one of these days I will have to deal with it, but until then I would rather just not mess with it.

DW 3 Will not boot off CD on a G5!
 

My Diskwarrior CD would not boot off a G5. I had to boot in target mode off a seperate HD the user had. Since all the new HDs are serial ATA only you cannot fit an ATA 133 IDE drive in the system at all. So luckily this time I had their old HD to toss in an enclosure, but next time I won't. So it seems that DW 3 will not boot off the CD on a G5, grrrrr that makes me angry.

Re: DW 3 Will not boot off CD on a G5!
 

Why would you think it would? The OS rev. required for the G5 wasn't around when the DW CD was pressed.

Maybe BootCD can make a 10.2.7/DW utility disc. Worth a try until Alsoft releases an updated CD.

Also, anybody who is successful in getting Bochs running, please tell us if it performs decently. That was always the knock on it, that it's dog slow. Maybe the G5 will help.

Finally, a quarter says VPC 7 will only run XP or later, when it ships. Since they're doing pretty much a complete rewrite to deal with the 'endian' issues of the 970, it's not hard to imagine that some kind of OS activation/locking scheme will be added. That's also why you shouldn't expect it to be finished in a big hurry.

Yeah you are right, I was just hoping they put some kind of legacy thing in the G5 where any OS X 10.2 cd would boot.

I agree that on believing that VPC will probably be only XP home/Pro only and there will be activation with it.

However, we will see.

Though not an Opimal OPtion in any way DW3 Firebooted
 

Though not an Optimal Option in any way, DW3 Firewire booted in Target Disk mode to a Non G5 machine from now is probably the most Safe and Reliable way to repair Dir Damage with DW until there is a DW 10.27 or better Offical Boot CD/DVD.

As many are aware rolling your own boot volume and in particular even booting from Another volume and running DW has been more probelmatic for some

Currently building a G5
 

got one in and am setting it up, will tell you tommorow morning if it could be cloned to an older machine.

Basically my first step is to set it up just the way I/the client wants it. Then clone (CarbonCopyCloner, if you don't use it, start now) the machine to an older mac and see if it works.

as it happens my first targte for that clone is none other than my handy dandy trusty little G3 imac with 80gig hard drive and 1gig of ram.

Yes I said G3. I am testing the burn on the OLDEST machine first, then younger machines to be certain.

Will report tommorow.
knowmad

I don't know if this will affect CD/DVD booting, but there is an Apple technote saying that 10.2.7 (G5) will not work in any machine other than a G5.

IT WORKED!
 

Ok, just to remind you all what i have done (look up two posts):

Got a single processor 1.6GHz G5 with 256ram (too little) and an 80GB HD(too much?).

Set it up, basically just by adding what I thought the user would need. I did not rebuild the machine from scratch, I used the install that the factory sent it with. Added Developer tools, Fink, eject menulet, classic menulet, shadowkiller, set the dock, set the system prefs. Then I logged in as root and moved the current user setup to the default user template (English.lproj) and logged out.
(as a side note, I tried to use perl to install CPAN, but it quit out halfway through, I was intedning to install psync but never got that far, need to look into that).

Then I used carbon copy cloner to create an ASR compressed disk image of the G5. I let that run overnight as I needed to get the hell away from my office. This morning I came in and restored the new G5 image to the second drive (partition) on my G3 IMac (DV Graphite edition, 80GB HD, 1GB ram.... sad that it has more ram than the G5, but the IMac is mine and the G5 belongs to a slightly penny pinching client).

Restore was done booted from partition on the IMac with the restore image sitting on my server, so it was technically done over the network. Image size was 3.2Gb and whole thing took less than 15 minutes (did not actually time it).

Booted just fine.
only problem is that for some reason the system settings, such as energy saver and dock, reverted to default.... and not event he default i built but the factory default. The dock repopulated itself with default icons (imovie, idvd, itunes, etc..) and this is in the admin account which was already created. I need to look more closely at this aspect and figure it out.

otherwise, worked perfectly.

Knowmad

almost forgot.... FOR THE RECORD
 

i now have 10.2.7 running on a G3, so no matter what apple says, it will work on things other than a G5!