I found it pretty quickly on there.. is this what you were looking for?

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems.html

have a look in there, click on the computer u have and look for the page that talks about overclocking, there is one for every system.

it is a beige tht i'm going to over clock, i want to drop a new zif in and i am keeping ym eyes open (i work for a repair center for apple computers so i should see one) but i want to drop something bigger in my g4 400 first

mayby a new video card as well, mmmmmm

jameso

I don't know about you guys, but I would love to go into a computer shop build a cheaper system (like the 500 to 700 range) and be able to install the mac os and mac applications. Intel is going to make better chips than the motorola's it looks like as well. I am curious to see how this goes.

To continue the discussion of running OSX on other architectures, firstly the kernel has already been ported to the Intel architecture, just like foo said. And I am sure the kernel can be ported to other platforms if wanted. Now what most people call OSX is a little application in CoreServices called "windowserver". This is what is usually called in X, a window manager. OSX is just like KDE or Gnome, a desktop environment. As a note if you want to kill the WM, just send a KILL signal to the windowserver process. Also, porting windowserver to another platform is as easy as counting bananas all day long. "windowserver" need not run under X-windows, but simply access firm-ware level calls to the video-card in order to display graphics. The only problem of course is porting the actual firmware calls to the BIOS based calls. Ok, so it's not as easy as counting bananas but if one has the code one has an awesome advantage. In my opinion, I think Apple has already ported the windowserver program to the Intel architecture.
AtomicTuesday

Thats what the rumor mill thinks, the problem i see is that apple has to be able to control what hardware we can run os x on, if apple sold os x for windows based hardware they don't have the income from every machine running os x, and apple are first and foremost a hardware ware supplier. I could see maybe the ititanium2 hardware being used.

who knows, well besides apples of course.

All IMHO

What Accura said.. 75% of Apple income is from hardware.

Apple can get around that by only supporting Apple-ROM'd Intel motherboards or Apple BIOS-blessed Intel motherboards...

Getting a little off topic here, foo, what does blessing a ROM mean? I have seen this word used various times before but had never really known what it is.
AtomicTuesday

To make a system folder bootable you have to 'bless' it. check out these kbase articles:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106678

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=18611

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106426

Its apple terminology.

They could do that with any other 3rd party motherboard/processor, and get royalties for it. Infact they could do that with all hardware and get royalties for it. There is money to be made with having other companies developed hardware for you. I like apple computers a lot, but I cannot say they are far greater than PC's. I work with both, and I like both. I just wish I could throw the mac OS on my PC, just to see how it would run.

I wrote about Apple only supporting Apple-blessed ROMs. In other words, Apple could buy mass quantities of, say, Asus or Gigabyte Intel x86 motherboards, and then they could work with AMI (American Megatrends Inc - a big BIOS maker) to take the normal AMI-BIOS (that all PCs have) and tweak it a little bit - maybe put ( <C> Apple Computers ) in there somewhere, and then in the Intel OS X software, the kernel could require that textstring to exist prior to booting OS X. I'm sure you could do a better job of protecting the ROM than that, but that's a simple way to illustrate the point.

Bingo - OS X won't work with any motherboards except those Asus or GB boards with Apple's ROM on it.

Apple could do the same thing with any hardware you can name - they used to do it long ago with hard disks, and they do it now (but not deliberately) with video cards, IDE PCI cards, and other add-in cards. (They all require a ROM, but that's just because they're PPC and not x86)

All of these things (motherboards, video cards, PCI IDE cards, etc) could easily be called "Apple Certified" only if they have an Apple ROM on them. It wouldn't be that hard. Then - bingo - you've got Apple "certified" products, and if someone doesn't use Apple certified products and they don't work, well... that's too bad!

That wasn't what I meant. Please see my post on the matter to see what I meant. ROMs are different from System Folders.

apple only ROMS? yeah valid point, but then again it was a valid point on the xbox as well, it didn't take too long to get linux booted, after that it was just another linux build. if mac os x ran on intel i would not doubt for 2 mins that apple would require a apple bios, but i do doubt that it will still require an apple blessed bios 6 months later, after the real world has had a shot at it. Apple would have to spend heaps of time on stopping this stuff, that requires money. who knows tho.

again all of this is IMHO.

jameso

Not the same at all. The XBOX only boots Linux with a modchip (or a complicated swap-trick); the modchip is, for the most part, illegal, and wouldn't be used by the vast majority. Anyway, as I said, that's just one idea - there could be others, including actual hardware on the motherboard tha would prevent easy duplication.

Microsoft XBOX applications still require the XBOX SDK compiler to work on a non-modded XBOX, even almost 2 years after its' release; it also won't run copied DVDs without the modchip. It's stopped the vast majority of XBOX buyers from copying DVDs and from running non-approved titles; I'd say it's worked.

http://www.xboxhacker.net/forums/ind...T&f=12&t=10520

they have stuff running on an unmodded xbox, its not finished but its getting there, it only took 2 years with the limited amount of people who have the skills and the xbox. Think of how many windows users would love to run mac os x on there home computer, and the linux geeks would love to have a shot at it. a lot of them would want to do it for free (the world is not a prfect place) so they would pool there minds and solve the problem, asap. it's what the internet is for.

u can get an solderless modchip for $60 AU or $30 US so its not like u have to break the bank.

jameso

I thought the internet was for p0rn? :D

that and theft

You still need the swap-trick AND a memory card AND it just exploits a bug in the game; I don't think it's viable or an example of anything in particular other than that the 007 authors screwed up. It's -very- tedious and very unlikely to appeal to any but hard-core hackers.

A few would, and they'd be able to do so if they bought OS X. Not the end of the world. They'd also realize they were hacking the system, and they'd realize it's unsupported.


I don't think it's -nearly- as easy as you're suggesting. That said, though, even if it is as 'easy' as the 007 swap trick, it's still far too complicated for the vast, vast majority of people - and that's all that Apple really needs to worry about.

That's never been the issue.

Teehee! xSux? Talk about hijacked threads?!

my bad, sorry =)