Safari SSL and my fscking Bank
 

I just upgraded to Safari v74 and I can't access my bank. It gives me an SSL error and claims the browser is incompatible. The previous version worked fine. This is more of a gripe, I've bug reported but I'm interested in finding out if other folks have seen this problem.

I just tested with Bank of America, and it seems pretty happy with Safari's SSL. Which bank are you using?

I'm using the Safari v73 and it lets me in at my bank and credit card sites, but it's been putting up a warning that they're not secure. I have no idea why this is happening; I'm using wi-fi cable with the Apple firewall on. The last time I did some banking, I just ignored the warning and did what I had to do.

Perhaps it's your bank's site not being compatible with Safari.

My bank url is:

https://logitelnet.socgen.com/

Spits back, need SSL 128 bits please get Explorer etc.

I'm sure it's the bank, I've written to them and they responded with an alternate URL (this was last year with Mozilla), that's broken too. IE works fine, looks like I'm back to the dark side.

Why not just use an earlier version of safari? Looks like v74 doesn't offer much, and maybe it will be fixed in the next update.

On reading this I went back to my most problematic site. It did not work. I had installed the dll patch to types.plist (elsewhere noted) and it worked in version v64. However, it does not work for v71, v73 or v74. What it does instead is simply display the text of the web page (yes it looks like html, the html is not decoded!). So, while initially I thought that 74 had broken it, it actually was broken between 64 and 71.

I will go back to version 73, luckily I have it at work. It makes me wonder though, they repair the security hole and my bank says I'm not using an SSL equipped browser. How bizarre.

Another thing, I imagine this new SSL negotiation will be left embedded in the browser. My bank will not change their protocol for one customer and I'm sure Apple wouldn't change their SSL authentication to accomodate my bank and me. So, I'll be left out in the cold with subsequent versions. It kinda pisses me off generally. Standards compliance has been corrupted by these kinds of problems which is why IE is still the benchmark, in terms of compatibility, even though it's one of the best examples of stagnation in software development.

1) I would not recommend using beta software for something like online banking.

2) Safari, though a promising browser, is still beta.

3) Vulnerabilities have been found in Safari's SSL implementation: http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/20...0514019972.htm

4) Since Safari is still in beta _AND_ some vulnerabilities have been found...especially in SSL...I would recommend against using it for online banking until it's full release.

5) Banks and CC companies tend to check what browser you are using and if you are not using a browser that is uncommon or that they have not fully tested (or just plain don't like), they will deny you access. This was the case with CapitalOne and Mozilla a while back. Early versions of Opera were also shunned by some sites.

- G!mpy

Why go to the dark side and use IE when Camino probably works, too? You don't have to SWITCH to Camino, but you could use it for your banking if it works on the site.

Just a thought. :-)

I agree about the use of beta software with my bank. However, I've used the latest version of Mozilla and Konqueror and they're disallowed. They will not budge on IE or an older version of Netscape.

Mikey, Camino is a no go man. If I can spoof the user ID I would jump at it. I've tried changing stuff in the user.js file (is that right, it's been a while?) and it still spat back, go away heathen.

I can't wait for IE 5.5 or 6. I'm getting so excited at the prospect of using the ultimate in Microsoft software. ;)

Damn. Sucks about no Camino. :-/

I suppose spoofing Safari's user agent ID fails, too, eh?

Well, crap. :-(

That's one thing I always thought was really slick with Opera...you can make it lie! :)

- G!mpy

Um, well, Camino and Safari let you do that, too. Ditto Omni. (FYI.)

Opera's nothing special here, and /definitely/ nothing special on the Mac. ;-)

I wasn't aware that Camino was a lier too. That's good news. Perhaps I'll tinker with it a bit more now. I use Mozilla primarily. I never ran Opera on a Mac so I can't comment on it being special or not :)

- G!mpy

You'll be happy to know, then, that Camino is part of the Mozilla project! :-)

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/

It's a killer browser. Gecko + Cocoa UI. Awesome stuff.

Thanks. I knew that. :) I fiddled with it a lil' bit, but then it cored on me (memory leak me thinks) so I set it asside for another time. They have a new release out now so hopefully the leaky mem is fixed. :)

- G!mpy

Yeah Mikey, I've tried all the trick I know in Safari and I've tried spoofing in Camino again, using lots of different user agents, it still vomits the same dialogue.

Oh the humanity!

My bank is First Hawaiian Bank and I can't get it to work with either Safari or Camino. With Safari I can't even log in (it chokes on the JavaScript). With Camino I can log in and some pages are OK, but on other pages money amounts do not appear. As you might imagine, seeing dollar amounts is an essential when it comes to on-line banking....

Don't be loyal to a BANK
 

With all these banks that have problems with their netbank site why not change banks. I have changed a few times because of service issues netbank has been one of them.

Actually, I've just heard from my bank. They'll be debuting a new service in July which will be compatible with Mozilla, Camino, Opera and Safari. :)

For those who might be interested, my bank went live with a new site a few days ago -- it looks remarkably like the Bank of America site -- and Safari was incompatible. They list the following browsers, Mozilla and Opera (Camino works OK) and of course, IE.

A few users complained and the site is now fully compatible. Bye bye IE -- I hope.

Just goes to show a bit of complaining can help, so for those who've had problems, push harder.