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...that I am not alone on this one at all. Sheesh! I should have checked elsewhere first before buying the darn thing. Trust but verify is how I should have had it. Check it out here.
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So I watched 'top' in Terminal while I ran DW from the boot partition on another partition. While DW was working, it had 4 processes going. After the rebuild, I quit DW and only 3 of the 4 processes quit. This happens every time. Sometimes it will hang upon reboot or logout and sometimes it won't. If I kill the final DW process before reboot or logout, it won't hang....of course, since the hang is only intermittent anyway I don't know that this is conclusive. Perhaps the next time I kill the final DW process and reboot, it could hang!? Anyway, just a thought. |
ekkk I have not Checked but is there more then one version of DW
1) ekkk I have not Checked, but is there more then one version of DW 3.x ?
2) Also anyone know what verson of X their *(minimal) Boot CD comes with? vs. what version people might build or run it from on other paritions? DW Offical DW boot version is faceless, no DeskTop, unlike 9.x. ** I have personaly only had good work form DW3 aross 1/2 dozen machines and dozens of repairs, all flawless. .. Only from their factory boot CD. That said nothing works 100 percent of the time for 100 percent of situations. No matter how often, and how many ways one backs up their is still utility to repairs of dir. damage. Maybe your back up is 24 hours old. Maybe you just want an additional option. **Of course back up is still best/most complete defense against all forms of disk problems. But in the real world (where you can not force everyone to have 20 kinds of back up even though its in their best interest) DW will save a drives ass more often then backups that might not be there, or might not be recent enough... But Before using any utilty it is always better to have a back up to go to if it fails (and an end user should always be warned of the potential risk). The majority of posters to this forum trust DW2 and now DW3 more then any other product out there. And I am greatful for a X booting and Native version. First, for systems that will not boot 9 and Second because 2.1x as wonderful as it was, sometimes froze solid while making repairs... Somthing I blame more on 9.x then DW. Usually rebooting and re-running the repair worked, but it was disconcerting all the same. **Please note I am no way diminishing the problems of the posters in this thread. I am merely suggesting that their may have been a cause: e.g. a badly built boot CD, rolling your own X CD is one is tough nut. And running DW3 from another boot volume should be an option, but may as yet not be a reliable one?? I have not gone that way and won't. |
I am sold on DiskWarrior. I don't waste many chances to sing its praises. DW 3 still repairs beautifully, there just might be a hang at logout/restart sometimes. I did not intend to sound negative toward DW (which has saved me in the past), I was hoping to point toward a solution for those who have the hang problem.
For informational purposes: I have a factory CD that they sent me in the mail. The hang happens whether I use the CD or run DW from another boot volume. I was, as you noted, running from another boot volume so that I could run Terminal. At any rate, I'm hoping that solving the problem is as simple as killing the final process before rebooting or restarting. It seems to be working for me so far. |
I paid $10 Canadian for Diskwarrior 3 through my school. Haven't had to use it yet, but its there when my Quicksilver needs to be spanked then nursed back to health. She's been good so far.
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As you might have suspected, the extra process still running when DiskWarrior quits, is the one that is doing the hardware check. If you select "Automatically check all drives for hardware malfunction" under the "Automatic Diagnostics" of the "Hardware" portion of the DW window, then there will always be a DW process running, starting at login (you can see DiskWarriorStarter in your 'Login Items' PreferencePane).
When you start DW, it will kill this process and create a new one, along with three others. All 4 are running during the rebuilding process (although two use 0% of the CPU), and only three are killed when DW is quit. The remaining one, I presume, is the process left to do the hardware diagnostics (replacing the original such process which was created at logon). Even if you do not have "Automatically check all drives for hardware malfunction" selected, all 4 processes will be created when DW starts, but all 4 will also quit when DW is quit. Thus, although I have not had any hangs since I've started killing this final process before logout, it seems unlikely that killing this final DiskWarrior process will solve the hang at logout/restart problem. |
Neat about kill -9 sort of thing when DW NOT using their CD
Neat about kill -9 sort of thing when NOT using DW3 factory CD:(
I am actually (and I am sure others are too) interested in the Combined expereinces of others here and elsewhere regarding booting from other volumes and using DW3. It is just for now I have not found a need to run the repairs that way. .. I could think of a million scenarios, the two most obvious being no DW3 boot CD and a broken CD/DVD player where you might want too. I will keep an eye out for offical and communal info. So far though the Zeit Giest seems to be with DW3, use thier boot CD *Good* Not using DW3 boot CD BAD*. Please note that while one should respect their Softare Lic, they make no attempt to stop you (No Copy Protection) from making Arcvhival copies of DW3 so that barring a failure your of CD/DVD player at the same time as Dir Damage one should always have DW3 handy. *One Side note I have not mentioned is making a Disk Image of DW3 and then burning CD when needed. Of course this latter trick might require an extra machine or boot volume you would be virtually guaratneed of almost always having DW3. I would still recommend keeping a CD copy everywhere your computer goes though. |
I like having the ability to run DW off of another partition or drive because then when an update (the free kind that fix bugs) comes out, I can use the update without spending $10 on a new CD containing the update.
Incidentally, one of my Macs (600 MHz Summer 2001 iMac) will not boot from the factory DW CD. I have not tried using BootCD to make another one. |
Yes Imagined there were many good Reasons
Yes Imagined there were many good Reasons beyond the ones I mentioned.
Strange that the DW3 CD wont Boot up one of you machines. Have you tried the troublsome changing boot Pref from System Prefs or **better and Safer ** the on the Fly Method other then holding the C key down **e.g. Press Option-Command-Shift-Delete during startup Bypass primary startup volume and seek a different startup volume (such as a CD or external disk). I have to say that until the reliabilty of using other boot volumes is establsihed you may need to pay the $10. **At least in your case as you have at least more then one machine one that CD works with and one that it does not you can also start the Ibook in FW target mode on a system that will Boot from DW3 CD e.g. Restart the ibook with T key held down, Giant FW simple then FW Plug ibook system into one that can boot into DW3. You should be able to repair the Ibook then, as it is in Target mode. I would also contacl Alsoft as it is supposed to be able to boot a ibook such as yours, they could send you a replacement DW3 boot CD. For those who want the Full Monty of commands URL below or Its content pasted below: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75459 Mac OS X: Keyboard Shortcuts Article ID: Created: Modified: 75459 12/16/02 4/9/03 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOPIC This document contains common Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSSION Startup Keystroke Description Press X during startup Force Mac OS X startup Press Option-Command-Shift-Delete during startup Bypass primary startup volume and seek a different startup volume (such as a CD or external disk) Press C during startup Start up from a CD that has a system folder Press N during startup Attempt to start up from a compatible network server (NetBoot) Press R during startup Force PowerBook screen reset Press T during startup Start up in FireWire Target Disk mode Press Shift during startup start up in Safe Boot mode and temporarily disable login items and non-essential kernel extension files (Mac OS X 10.2 and later) Press Command-V during startup Start up in Verbose mode. Press Command-S during startup Start up in Single-User mode (command line) Finder window Keyboard shortcut Description Command-W Close Window Option-Command-W Close all Windows Command-Right Arrow Expand folder (list view) Option-Command-Right Arrow Expand folder and nested subfolders (list view) Command-Left Arrow Collapse Folder (list view) Option-Command-Up Arrow Open parent folder and close current window Menu commands Keyboard shortcut Description Shift-Command-Q Apple Menu Log out Shift-Option-Command-Q Apple Menu Log out immediately Shift-Command-Delete Finder Menu Empty Trash Option-Shift-Command-Delete Finder Menu Empty Trash without dialog Command-H Finder Menu Hide Finder Option-Command-H Finder Menu Hide Others Command-N File Menu New Finder window Shift-Command-N File Menu New Folder Command-O File Menu Open Command-S File Menu Save Shift-Command-S File Menu Save as Command-P File Menu Command-W File Menu Close Window Option-Command-W File Menu Close all Windows Command-I File Menu Get Info Option-Command-I File Menu Show Attributes Inspector Command-D File Menu Duplicate Command-L File Menu Make Alias Command-R File Menu Show original Command-T File Menu Add to Favorites Command-Delete File Menu Move to Trash Command-E File Menu Eject Command-F File Menu Find Command-Z Edit Menu Undo Command-X Edit Menu Cut Command-C Edit Menu Copy Command-V Edit Menu Paste Command-A Edit Menu Select All Command-1 View Menu View as Icons Command-2 View Menu View as List Command-3 View Menu View as Columns Command-B View Menu Hide Toolbar Command-J View Menu Show View Options Command - [ Go Menu Back Command - ] Go Menu Forward Shift-Command-C Go Menu Computer Shift-Command-H Go Menu Home Shift-Command-I Go Menu iDisk Shift-Command-A Go Menu Applications Shift-Command-F Go Menu Favorites Shift-Command-G Go Menu Goto Folder Command-K Go Menu Connect to Server Command-M Window Menu Minimize Window Option-Command-M Window Menu Minimize All Windows Command-? Help Menu Open Mac Help Universal Access Keyboard shortcut Description Option-Command-* (asterisk) Turn on Zoom Option-Command-+ (plus) Zoom in Option-Command-- (minus) Zoom out Control-Option-Command-* (asterisk) Switch to White on Black Control-F1 Turn on Full Keyboard Access When Full Keyboard Access is turned on, you can use the key combinations listed in the table below from the Finder. Control-F2 Full Keyboard Access Highlight Menu Control-F3 Full Keyboard Access Highlight Dock Control-F4 Full Keyboard Access Highlight Window (active) or next window behind it Control-F5 Full Keyboard Access Highlight Toolbar Control-F6 Full Keyboard Access Highlight Utility window (palette) The Universal Access preference pane allows you to turn on Mouse Keys. When Mouse Keys is on, you can use the numeric keypad to move the mouse. If your computer doesn't have a numeric keypad, use the Fn (function) key. Mouse Keys Keystroke Description 8 Move Up 2 Move Down 4 Move Left 6 Move Right 1, 3, 7, and 9 Move Diagonally 5 Press Mouse Button 0 Hold Mouse Button . (period on keypad) Release Mouse Button (use after pressing 0) Other Commands Keystroke Description Option-Command-D Show/Hide Dock Command-Tab Switch application tab Highlight next item Command-Up Arrow Move up one directory Command-Down Arrow Move down one directory Page Up or Control-Up Arrow Move up one page Page Down or Control-Down Arrow Move down one page Option-Drag Copy to new location Option-Command-Drag Make alias in new location Command-Drag Move to new location without copying Shift-Command-C Show Colors palette in application Command-T Show Font palette in application Command-Shift-3 Take a picture of the screen Command-Shift-4 Take a picture of the selection Command-Shift-4, then press Control while selecting Take a picture of the screen, place in Clipboard Command-Shift-4, then Spacebar Take a picture of the selected window Option-Command-esc Force Quit Control-Eject Restart, Sleep, Shutdown dialog box Control-Command-Eject Quit all applications and restart Option-Command-Eject or Option-Command-Power Sleep Command-click window toolbar button (upper right corner) Cycle through available views for the window's toolbar (dependant on the nature of the Finder or application window). |
Correction, the factory DW CD won't start up the original eMac (700MHz), it will start up the iMac.
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One more thought...
One more thought... Beyond the FW Trick...
"Automatically check all drives for hardware malfunction" under the "Automatic Diagnostics" Just Say NO. Seriously...... *** I only Repair the one Disk. One at a time and *Never do the Auto thing..... I Just Launch the main DW Repair Utilty that re-creates the Dir Structure.... From the Main Tab. That latter Ooption must check the Drive for Bad Blocks. While an Application should never have a troublsome options Scanning the wholle Surface checking for Bad Blocks is terriblyly time consuming. ... Unless you suspect actual bad blocks this seems like asking for trouble. This is also (I belive) a new feature not part of the core DW2 or DW3 App. It is only accessible by going to the advanced Tab..... |
DW3 REVIEW
Purchased at my local Apple store a week ago to fix a problem with my drive. Supposedly it did its job, but I still have the same problem. It was fast, and simple enough to use. So I guess this is a good review? Just don't buy it at a certain computer super store...they want $10 more than list price.
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So this problem happens even of the CD
So this problem happens even of the CD from DW??
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Yes, but not all the time, for some reason...you'd think that there could not be too many variables with starting from a CD. (Except whether you chose it as a startup disk from System Preferences, by holding down the C key at startup, or the option key at startup.
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Alsoft tech support said to use BootCD to construct another startup CD to put DiskWarrior on.
I did, and so far through 4 attempts, the Mac has cleanly rebooted each time (beginning the restarting phase faster than it did before when it wouldn't hang). I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but so far it looks like DiskWarrior is in like Flynn again. |
Cool:)
Did you use your OSX 10.28 system to Do it?
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