For the moment, ignore your views on the Mac App Store. At its most basic level, the MAS application couldn't be introduced without touching other parts of the system. By its nature, the Mac App Store has connections to the Finder, Parental Controls (which means System Preferences and underlying frameworks), security frameworks, and the Dock. There's probably other stuff that someone more knowledgable than me could also point out.

But you can find out for yourself even without installing 10.6.6. Simply download that update, open the installer, then use the Window menu to select Installer Log. All the files included with the update would be listed there.

We're all forgetting that Apple is aiming for the masses. We aren't the masses.

masses or not, stupid is stupid. I don't like the App Store idea, but if it were well designed I'd recognize the futility of complaining about it and get over it. Life moves on, you know what I'm saying? But it's just such a @#$^&@ #$98@# *^$#@ &^^&% piece of @#$&^@ of an application!

If Apple wants to change how people buy things, fine, <grump grump grump> but don't make the new and obligatory process such a frigging pain in the watusi.

P.s. I'll have you know that at great effort I managed to avoid making the silly neutrino joke I wanted to make. masses indeed… <grump>

Unfortunately, tw, stupidity is a lifelong condition common to too many and apparently a lot of those folks are Mac users. BTW, let me restate that I agree with you entirely; I'm just trying to explain this horror show.

I know. Historically, however, Apple has been pretty good about stupidity - the stupid things they do are more or less in the nature of irritants and generally offset by the smart things they do. This is the first time I've seen Apple do something that was just whole-heartedly abysmal. Someone screwed up bigtime. I mean seriously - if it gets to the point where I can't function without using the app store, and no one fixes the app store so that it's usable, I may just dump the apple side and work entirely from my windows partition until they get their act together. I've been a Mac user for a hell of a long time, but that thing irritates the hell out of me.

Isn't that list of installed files only available after you've run the installer? I just double-checked on my MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.8.dmg and there isn't much shown in the installer log if I don't run it. Maybe Apple has upgraded that behavior in newer installers for Snow Leopard.

"File > Show Files" will list the files to be installed before you begin the installation.

That's what I meant to write. Thanks for correcting that, fracai.

Thanks for reminding us that this feature exists. I have used it in the past, but have to admit that it did slip my mind.

I'd have to assume that this feature is not available when installing software with the Mac App Store, but is there any sort of install log that shows the name and location of all files added, or modified, after Mac App Store installations?

No one thinks they're the masses, of course.:D

I do think that the MAS is a good idea, but the MAS app is appalling. The same charge can be levelled at iTMS. Any kind of detailed searching is impossible.

Can I search for a term within a Category? No.
Is there any way to "Find" a term within the current page, as in Safari? No.
Hierarchical sub-categories, to find all text editors, or browsers, or FTP clients? No.
Apply any kind of Filters? No.

Certainly, many developers supply their apps ONLY through the MAS. But I don't think that Apple will make it impossible to download apps from anywhere else. It's just that most of the stuff you want will be in the shop.

Bingo. Welcome to Apple's goal. Before, no one bought software and no one knew where to go. Now there is lots of software and they know where to go.

Keep in mind, forum members are not the "normal" audience that Apple is aiming for. They don't mind pissing off 5% of users to improve the experience of 95% of users.

Most Mac owners:

1. Don't buy software
2. Rarely update
3. Don't know where to go to get software
4. Have no idea the wealth of software out there

The App store is meant to address most of those issues. Because we are not in that group, it doesn't meet our needs.

I presume, of course, that those of you upset with the Mac App Store, etc are giving feedback to Apple?

I feel duty-bound to post this snippet:

"*Because of Mac App Store restrictions, DVD ripping is not allowed on the Mac App Store version. When you buy this version from macZOT, you’ll get DVD ripping capability."

Censorship of content, in any form, is not going to win me over.

I feel like it's probably closer to 15/85.

…and the term "dumbing it down" does spring to (my) mind.

Please point out the App Store terms for this statement. Not defending here, just don't like unsubstantiated statments like this.

I'm not going to wade through that swamp of legal jargon. Here's the link to the MacZot page.
I'm sure you can e-mail the developer and get them to highlight the verbiage that you're interested in.

I took a look here, http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html#APPS but I didn't see anything about not being able to copy it to a DVD.

Okay, well, thanks for making the attempt. I figured I'd be about as successful as you were. The dev will be able to pinpoint the legalese which you seek, I think.

That doesn't really fit with the fact that there are several apps on the App Store that do exactly that.
Apps like "DVD-Ripper", "DVDRipperPro", "DVD Ripper Lite", etc.

I doubt it's something that restricts DVD ripping, but something that restricts how this particular app was performing the rip. Or a misinterpretation of Apple's terms. I doubt the MAS approval team overlooked the DVD ripping capability for those apps that are in the store.