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AnonMac 03-09-2010 01:36 AM

Does changing the graphics card change the port on the computer? I mean, only the 2 CRT Macintosh displays that I have, connect to that Power Mac, the Qudra, and the 3 PowerBooks. nothing else, not even my MBP. (It doesn't even use VGA. It is something like a BIG VGA cable. So new displays don't work.

stewiesno1 03-09-2010 05:22 AM

Sometimes , but it depends on the videocard.
Some have one VGA , others two. Then the newer ones have one VGA and one DVI.
Some of the Apple only cards have one VGA and one ADC for the Cinema Displays.
But you also have to match the resolution of the videocard to your monitors.

Stewie

AHunter3 03-09-2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 575214)
Does changing the graphics card change the port on the computer? I mean, only the 2 CRT Macintosh displays that I have, connect to that Power Mac, the Qudra, and the 3 PowerBooks. nothing else, not even my MBP. (It doesn't even use VGA. It is something like a BIG VGA cable. So new displays don't work.

That would be the old DB-15 Mac monitor port. Macs didn't have VGA for a long time, you needed an adapter. They're still available if you look for them.

http://www.computercablestore.com/Ma...er_PID945.aspx
http://www.computercablestore.com/im...-H15FD15M6.jpg

AnonMac 03-10-2010 12:08 AM

Great, thanks.

AnonMac 03-16-2010 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AHunter3 (Post 574769)
The PC compatibility card was essentially an entire PC motherboard which would use your Mac's peripheral devices and ports. Might have its own RAM or might swipe some memory from the MacOS, don't know. It would probably give you a 266 MHz PC or something in that neighborhood.

You might get better performance (at least by some measures) running VirtualPC, once you've got that G4 upgrade in there.

Would QEMU work faster than VirtualPC? It runs on PPC and it is free.

AHunter3 03-17-2010 08:11 PM

Dunno, never tried it.

stewiesno1 03-18-2010 06:48 PM

I'd visit their forums and post that question there.
I'm sure you would get a few replies from someone who has experimented with both.

Stewie

AnonMac 03-28-2010 02:54 AM

On Sonnet's website (the guys who make G3 and G4 upgrades), the only PCI cards for USB and FireWire are for Power Macintosh G4, Power Macintosh G5, and Mac Pro. Nothing for older Macs (at least not for 9600). I want at least USB, preferably USB 2.0. Currently, file transfers are either made by Floppy Disks, and by Internet. Meaning, File Sharing. I can only get the Power Mac appear on my computer, but I can't get my MacBook Pro to show up on the Power Mac.

PS are there any USB PCI cards that are compatible with Power Mac 9600?


EDIT: Also, I want to buy a Maxtor 40 GB HD from OWC http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Maxtor/2F040L07/, and how do I partition it? I want one partition for OS 9, and another for OS X (it's best if OS X has the first partition). Also, before taking out my old HD (4 GB), I want to clone it to put it on my future HD. How do I do that. Also note, that I won't be able to reach my Power Macintosh in the next few weeks. I will still have my MacBook Pro. Thanks.

AnonMac 03-28-2010 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stewiesno1 (Post 567835)
www.ramdirect.com has 128mb sticks of Ram compatible with G3/G4 upgrades for $10 each.
Four of those babies for $40 plus shipping and you'd have 512mb+

Sonnet have a "Tango" Firewire plus USB2.0 PCI card and they pop up on ebay every now and then.
Just be aware though that USB2.0 can only be used with OS10.2.6 plus.
OS9 will only let you use the card at USB1 speeds whereas the Firewire ports can be used from OS8.6 and up.
Belkin and Macsense also make USB2.0 PCI cards for Macs.
Also be aware that you may run into sleep issues by installing a USB card.

Stewie

Is this the card?http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tango_2.html

stewiesno1 03-28-2010 09:30 PM

From memory on mine I actually installed separate FW and USB2.0 cards.
Just a bit easier to troubleshoot problems.
In saying that though, the Tango does seem to have less deep sleep and other problems than some other cards.
Despite their G3 and G4 only listing , they are also regularly used on older Macs as well.
I also found that an internal zip drive was pretty handy for file transfers between my 9600 and any of my G4s ( up to 250mb anyway ).
If you run both your computers through a router and connect obviously via ethernet with both configured properly then file transfer should be a breeze.

Stewie

AnonMac 03-30-2010 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stewiesno1 (Post 577658)
From memory on mine I actually installed separate FW and USB2.0 cards.
Just a bit easier to troubleshoot problems.
In saying that though, the Tango does seem to have less deep sleep and other problems than some other cards.
Despite their G3 and G4 only listing , they are also regularly used on older Macs as well.
I also found that an internal zip drive was pretty handy for file transfers between my 9600 and any of my G4s ( up to 250mb anyway ).
If you run both your computers through a router and connect obviously via ethernet with both configured properly then file transfer should be a breeze.

Stewie

So you reckon it'll work?
Also, would an AirPort card work with the computer?
I also have iMovie 2 for OS 9. Would it work?

stewiesno1 03-31-2010 06:20 PM

Yes
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1621
Dunno about an airport card but here is a good list of wireless cards to look at
http://lowendmac.com/macdan/md09/mac-wifi-desktop.htm
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA44463?viewlocale=en_US
Quote:

A Macintosh computer with a 300 MHz or faster PowerPC G3 or G4 processor and built-in FireWire port
The built-in FW port may be the stumbling block although I have never used iMovie 2.

Stewie

AnonMac 04-01-2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 577598)
...Also, I want to buy a Maxtor 40 GB HD from OWC http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Maxtor/2F040L07/, and how do I partition it? I want one partition for OS 9, and another for OS X (it's best if OS X has the first partition). Also, before taking out my old HD (4 GB), I want to clone it to put it on my future HD. How do I do that. Also note, that I won't be able to reach my Power Macintosh in the next few weeks. I will still have my MacBook Pro. Thanks.

So how do I clone my current OS 9 system and get it onto the new hard drive? And how do I partition it in OS 9?

AHunter3 04-02-2010 12:17 AM

Cloning OS 9 is as simpy as dragging your System Folder to the new volume. And Disk Tools will let you partition a new drive. (Assuming it doesn't choke on a drive far larger than what it was expecting to deal with).

If OS 9 Disk Tools is dismayed at the notion of a 40 gig drive, you can partition it on a different computer, under OS X. (Be sure to install MacOS 9 drivers; it should be an option in the OS X Disk Utility)

AnonMac 04-02-2010 12:20 AM

As far as I can tell, this install Mac OS 9 Drivers is unavailable Leopard and Snow Leopard for Intel, but available for Tiger, and available for Leopard and lower on PPC Macs.

AHunter3 04-02-2010 11:51 AM

Yeah that sounds about right.

AnonMac 04-02-2010 09:57 PM

So how do I fix that if I get the problem?

AHunter3 04-03-2010 12:20 PM

If you don't have an OS X PPC machine, you'd need the help of someone who does, I guess.

Although you could probably partition it under OS X but not format the partitions, then see if OS 9 will let you format the partitions when you attach it.

AnonMac 04-06-2010 08:10 AM

Has anyone tried OS X Server on a Pre-G3 Machine?

stewiesno1 04-06-2010 05:08 PM

Quote:

So how do I clone my current OS 9 system and get it onto the new hard drive?
Why don't you buy a retail copy of OS9 ?
Probably $10 on ebay


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