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Tiger on Machines that don't support it?

I just wondered, who actually tried this?

Tiger on a PowerPC Mac that doesn't support it i.e. PowerMacintosh 9600, PowerMac G3 (Biege)
Tiger on an Intel Mac that doesn't support it, i.e. an early 2008 MacBook Pro
Tiger on an TV (Apple TV)
Tiger on PCs

Option 1 requires xPostFacto, lots of RAM, and G3/G4 upgrade card for those who need it.
Option 2 requires the same way as option 4 (if the normal disk doesn't work)
Option 3 can be found on the ATV4Mac website.
Option 4 is the only one that violates the Apple EULA (It doesn't if its on a Mac that doesn't support it as in Option 1, 2, or 3.) It requires patching the Tiger disk.

I ran option 1 on a Power Mac Beige G3 using XpostFacto to install it. I upgraded its processor to a much faster G3 and installed a larger than the original HD. I used it for about a year as a small load web server.

I installed PANTHER on a Mac that doesn't support it. (WallStreet PowerBook).

I've thought about putting Tiger on it but it's sort of relegated to auxiliary-machine status these days and it's rock-solid under Panther and I just don't need Tiger. So I haven't done so.

I'll probably do option 2, first without patching disk, just for fun.

I put Tiger on a 350MHz iMac.
Had to remove the drive as the iMac had only a CD-ROM and no FireWire. Put the hard drive in a USB case and used CCC to copy a system from another iMac. Once Tiger was installed it worked just fine.

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Originally Posted by warragul (Post 560680)

Cool idea, did you try xPostFacto though?

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 560818)

Cool idea, did you try xPostFacto though?

No, I didn't. Tiger and xPostFacto were on a Wallstreet I bought off eBay and I found xPostFacto a nuisance. Another Wallstreet I was given ran Panther OK.

There's a difference between using XPostFacto to do the install and relying on it for anything subsequent to the install. I installed Panther on my WallStreet but used the first 8 gigs of the internal hard disk to do so, and never had to touch XPostFacto again. Rebooting into other operating systems installed on the same disk (OS 9.1, OS 9.0.4, OS 8.6, etc) was a simple matter of doing a power reset before reboot; switching from OS 9 (or 8) to 10.3 just meant selecting it as the desired operating system using the Startup Disk Control Panel. No XPF necessary.

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Originally Posted by AHunter3 (Post 561107)

So you only need XPF for installation? (I'm gonna install Panther on my 9600). What do you mean Power Reset?

2. Can I ask why you would want to install Tiger on a 2008 or later Mac..?

There are about 3 small interface features that are subjectively "better" in Tiger than Leopard, and hundreds of improvements in Leopard over Tiger (before even considering 10.6).
Most significant is that Tiger probably won't have the drivers for the newer hardware.

3. The same goes for installing Tiger on an Apple TV. Why? Again, there are probably all sorts of hardware drivers that aren't there.

4. Try the OSX86 project forums.

About the most useful option is to install Tiger on an old Mac that is below the minimum spec. Even if you manage it, your Mac will be under-powered and slow.
Depending on what you want to use these computers for, you would be better of running a contemporary version of OS X, or something like FreeBSD, or Linux for PPC.

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 561146)

So you only need XPF for installation?

Correct.

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(I'm gonna install Panther on my 9600). What do you mean Power Reset?

The WallStreet (official name: PowerBook G3 Series 1998) had a combination of buttons (fn button + Shift Key + Option Key + the Power-On key) that, when pressed, would reset the power management. One effect that it had was resetting whatever saved setting was in Open Firmware that told the computer to boot the OS X type operating system, not the OS Classic type operating system. And with no setting to the contrary, it defaults to booting a Classic OS.

Like your 9600, the WallStreet is "old world" meaning that its way of "blessing" an operating system is a bit different than what Panther / Tiger think of as appropriate. (Older OS X versions Jaguar and Puma and Cheetah directly supported "old world", Panther and Tiger don't). On a more modern computer (a "Pismo" PowerBook for example) one would be able to use the MacOS X Startup Disk PrefsPane to select an OS 9 or a different OS X system to start up from; and on the WallStreet at least, if not necessarily on a 9600, under older versions of OS X such as Jaguar one would also be able to do that; furthermore, under newer hardware one would be able to hold down the option key during bootup and PICK what to boot from on-the-fly. But the Startup Disk PrefsPane of Panther (or Tiger) does not expect to have to bless an operating system oldworld-style, and oldworld hardward doesn't support the option-key-during-boot trick, so the power reset is the most convenient way to get the system to boot to the last selected Classic OS, from which you can then select any other OS (X or 9 or 8) to boot from.

Having never XPF'd a 9600, I don't know if you'd have to learn to do something similar. If your 9600 happens to have a dead PRAM battery so that if you unplug it it loses its knowledge of date and time, you can just unplug the computer and then reset the PRAM on reboot and it should reboot into 9 with the same effect.

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Originally Posted by benwiggy (Post 561151)

Just for the fun of it, that's all.

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Originally Posted by AHunter3 (Post 561242)

Correct.

The WallStreet (official name: PowerBook G3 Series 1998) had a combination of buttons (fn button + Shift Key + Option Key + the Power-On key) that, when pressed, would reset the power management. One effect that it had was resetting whatever saved setting was in Open Firmware that told the computer to boot the OS X type operating system, not the OS Classic type operating system. And with no setting to the contrary, it defaults to booting a Classic OS.

Like your 9600, the WallStreet is "old world" meaning that its way of "blessing" an operating system is a bit different than what Panther / Tiger think of as appropriate. (Older OS X versions Jaguar and Puma and Cheetah directly supported "old world", Panther and Tiger don't). On a more modern computer (a "Pismo" PowerBook for example) one would be able to use the MacOS X Startup Disk PrefsPane to select an OS 9 or a different OS X system to start up from; and on the WallStreet at least, if not necessarily on a 9600, under older versions of OS X such as Jaguar one would also be able to do that; furthermore, under newer hardware one would be able to hold down the option key during bootup and PICK what to boot from on-the-fly. But the Startup Disk PrefsPane of Panther (or Tiger) does not expect to have to bless an operating system oldworld-style, and oldworld hardward doesn't support the option-key-during-boot trick, so the power reset is the most convenient way to get the system to boot to the last selected Classic OS, from which you can then select any other OS (X or 9 or 8) to boot from.

Having never XPF'd a 9600, I don't know if you'd have to learn to do something similar. If your 9600 happens to have a dead PRAM battery so that if you unplug it it loses its knowledge of date and time, you can just unplug the computer and then reset the PRAM on reboot and it should reboot into 9 with the same effect.

My 9600's battery would be fully drained in about 1-5 mins. So if I'm using OS X then I want OS 9, one way would be to unplug the Mac, wait a few mins and then start it up? Not bad, though it would be annoying if the battery had more charge.:)

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 561301)

Draining the PowerMac 9600's battery is not a good way to do it. Much better is to turn off the 9600, open it and press the CUDA reset button on the 9600's motherboard, wait 15 seconds and then boot it.

Trevor

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Originally Posted by trevor (Post 561485)

I'll see if I can find it, but why is draining battery a bad idea?

AnonMac: please reduce the size of your signature. When they're substantially larger than the post content, they just distract from what's there.

Thank you. :)

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Originally Posted by Craig R. Arko (Post 577115)

AnonMac: please reduce the size of your signature. When they're substantially larger than the post content, they just distract from what's there.

Thank you. :)

Is this better?

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 577118)

Is this better?

No. If you're unable to edit it, I can do it for you.

I had it running on a Dell at work for a while. Confused a few people.

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Originally Posted by Craig R. Arko (Post 577122)

No. If you're unable to edit it, I can do it for you.

Please do it, thank you.

I just installed Mac OS X Tiger on a MacBookPro4,1.

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Originally Posted by AnonMac (Post 581385)

I just installed Mac OS X Tiger on a MacBookPro4,1.

If you did it on a 5,1, I'd be impressed.

(Unibody 15" Pro for the uninitiated)

I tried it on a MacBook6,1 and I tried 10.5.2 on the same MacBook, but they didn't work. As far as I know, the MacBook6,1 has the same hardware as a MacBookPro5,1 and therefor can't run anything before 10.5.5 or 10.5.6. If I find someone who has a MacBookPro5,1 I'll post.

-AnonMac