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Jay Carr 04-05-2009 11:25 PM

The user formerly known as Zalister
 
Just so you all know, I had my user name changed to my name in real life. So, when you see Jay Carr now, it's just me, Zalister, with a new name.

fazstp 04-05-2009 11:30 PM

JayZee ;)

ArcticStones 04-06-2009 03:43 AM

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Hi Jay!
Congratulations for coming out of the closet. :D
I look forward to reading many great new posts from your hand.

-- ArcticStones

appleman_design 04-06-2009 07:45 AM

LOL.. I'm not ready to come out yet...

kel101 04-06-2009 09:08 AM

O_____O my head...i cant handle it.....*grabs revolver*


and since when could we change user names :O

Jay Carr 04-06-2009 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kel101 (Post 527525)
O_____O my head...i cant handle it.....*grabs revolver*


and since when could we change user names :O

I had to beg, barter, steal and eventually bribe people into letting me change it, so... :).

Just kidding, I just asked one of the moderators to take care of it, and it happened.

acme.mail.order 04-06-2009 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Carr (Post 527481)
Just so you all know, I had my user name changed to my name in real life. So, when you see Jay Carr now, it's just me, Zalister, with a new name.

Unfortunately the username change does not change in-post references, so now there are >700 references to the phantom Zalister.

ThreeDee 04-06-2009 11:33 PM

Maybe you can put something small in your signature so people won't get confused when they see "Jay Carr"?

tw 04-06-2009 11:40 PM

Jay Carr is your real name? maybe you should have gone the other way and had it legally changed to Zalister.:D

Jay Carr 04-06-2009 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acme.mail.order (Post 527625)
Unfortunately the username change does not change in-post references, so now there are >700 references to the phantom Zalister.

Really? I never realized I was so popular! Or so worth yelling at I guess...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThreeDee (Post 527651)
Maybe you can put something small in your signature so people won't get confused when they see "Jay Carr"?

That's not a bad idea, I might do that for a little while... Hopefully it will keep things straight, right?

kel101 04-07-2009 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Carr (Post 527619)
I had to beg, barter, steal and eventually bribe people into letting me change it, so... :).

Just kidding, I just asked one of the moderators to take care of it, and it happened.

WITCHCRAFT!!!!

hmm, wonder if i can take the 101 from my name....

NovaScotian 04-10-2009 09:33 PM

The burning, but yet unexplained, Jay, is why?

Jay Carr 04-11-2009 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaScotian (Post 528241)
The burning, but yet unexplained, Jay, is why?

Why did I have my name changed to my real name? I think it's kind of explained by my quote, if you take look. I actually went into a bit of detail on this subject in my thread in the help section. But I can hit the highlights again.

The main reason is because I feel that people, on the whole, lack social responsibility when on the web because they feel like no one really knows who they are, so they can act as they choose without repercussion. I feel that if people were to use their real names, they would be more likely to be responsible. When it's your real name, your real reputation is on the line.

That being said, I don't think this is a big problem at this particular forum. But it's a matter of principle for me.

Plus, I'd like to think that if I met someone from the forums in real life that it could be a natural meeting (rather than a, "oh, you're that guy from the forum..."). I feel like having my actual name up there will make that easier.

In essence all of these concepts point to the same fundamental principle: I think putting my real name up there makes me more human. I don't like the idea of being an 'internet experience' or 'internet entity', I'm a real person. I think using my actual name helps cement that concept into anyone I interact with here. Maybe I'm being silly, I just tend to think that it's easier for all of us to associate "human" with a real name rather than something like, SuperWalker233, or the like.

Just my two cents.

ArcticStones 04-11-2009 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acme.mail.order (Post 527625)
Unfortunately the username change does not change in-post references, so now there are >700 references to the phantom Zalister.

Now that is an interesting problem.
That’s obviously an Admin challenge, however.
Glad I’m a mere Mod. :D

Woodsman 04-11-2009 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Carr (Post 528266)
The main reason is because I feel that people, on the whole, lack social responsibility when on the web because they feel like no one really knows who they are, so they can act as they choose without repercussion. I feel that if people were to use their real names, they would be more likely to be responsible. When it's your real name, your real reputation is on the line.

An entirely respectable position, but I am not sure I concur with John Gabriel's Greater Internet ####wad theory (Normal Person + Anonymity + Audience = Total ####wad). One can choose to operate with a nom de guerre and nevertheless endeavour to behave like a decent netizen. You don't know who I am, you can't come and punch me out, so I can act as I choose; and what I choose to do is to be as civilised as I can manage (even if a trifle dopey at times). The other side of the Net medal is that our reputation rests entirely upon our verbal culture; we cannot compensate for being a ####wad with our perfect teeth, toned abs or little black numbers. None of which I have, at any rate. :)

Contrariwise, the worst Usenet troll I ever observed, perhaps the worst human being I have ever encountered, whom I shall not name in case it attracts him, operated with his full and correct name. Someone from the group even visited him at home.

ArcticStones 04-11-2009 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsman (Post 528280)
The other side of the Net medal is that our reputation rests entirely upon our verbal culture; we cannot compensate for being a ####wad with our perfect teeth, toned abs or little black numbers.

Nor cool avatars, at least not at this site. For which I’m glad.

And the only black numbers are below your name: A baseball classification, join date, number of posts, and a location if given. Other than that, everybody is on the same footing.

That leaves us with our verbal culture, as you mentioned -- and the social culture of MacOSXHints itself, where IMHO the defining trait is generosity. :)

NaOH 04-11-2009 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones (Post 528281)
And the only black numbers are below your name: A baseball classification....

In which case you – as a moderator – should be classified as "Umpire," "Ump" or "Blue."

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones (Post 528281)
That leaves us with our verbal culture, as you mentioned -- and the social culture of MacOSXHints itself, where IMHO the defining trait is generosity. :)

Amen to that.

Photek 04-11-2009 07:01 AM

their is a good reason many people here have pseudonyms to hide behind... Arctic Stones real name is 'Drew Peacock' :D

Dont even get me started on my real name.... :o

Jay Carr 04-11-2009 02:57 PM

As a note, I respect all of your positions. One of the great things about existence is that we can all disagree. And I'd like to think I'm mature enough to accept that my particular world view is a result of my limited experience rather than some eternal truth we all should cling to.

I personally agree with John Gabriel because I've seen it happen before. At the same time, I used to frequent a lot of gamer, anime, comic and manga sites, were that kind of behavior is the norm. I think I pointed out before, in this forum it's not a problem, so changing my name was more a matter of principle than an effort to revolutionize the board :D.

I do like what Woodsman said, and I think it's true. Forums do give you the opportunity to express ideas independent of mitigating factors. An advantage and disadvantage to be sure, but a very good point.

Like I alluded to before, I'm not going to say that everyone here needs to switch over to using their own name. I feel it is the correct decision from my limited perspective, and I can't begin to say I would make the same decision in any of your situations because I'm not in them. So...yeah, just keep on doing what your doing, and don't worry about me thinking any less of you because you do :).

ThreeDee 04-11-2009 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Carr (Post 528266)
The main reason is because I feel that people, on the whole, lack social responsibility when on the web because they feel like no one really knows who they are, so they can act as they choose without repercussion. I feel that if people were to use their real names, they would be more likely to be responsible. When it's your real name, your real reputation is on the line.

That reminds me of what Amazon is doing with it's "Real Name Review" system, where people use their real names to comment and write reviews of things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amazon.com
In general, we believe that a community in which people use their Real Name attributions will ultimately have higher quality content, since an author willing to sign his or her real-world name on a piece of content is essentially saying "With my real-world identity, I stand by what I have written here."


NovaScotian 04-12-2009 10:31 AM

I have no objection to using my real name and on another site (macscripter.net) I'm an admin and so use my real name there (Adam Bell). Having said that, however, I "contribute" to quite a few other forums under the moniker NovaScotian and don't want to deal with the hassle that Jay has encountered; he exists in the history of this forum as Zalister and it's unlikely that one of the admins will go to the trouble of making them one (which was the case on MacScripter.net where the webmaster did change all my prior entries to the new author name). I note however that the change for Jay didn't start his post count at 1 again and part of the reason for the history adjustment at macscripter was that the name change did change the count as well.

ArcticStones 04-12-2009 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaScotian (Post 528454)
...the hassle that Jay has encountered; he exists in the history of this forum as Zalister and it's unlikely that one of the admins will go to the trouble of making them one...

I have actually broached this subject in the Moderators’ Section, asking if there is an easy way to globally change references to Zalister in various and sundry posts. I’m not sure what the outcome of that query will be. If there is a handy solution, and it is implemented, it is of course unlikely to tackle things like "Zal" and "Z".

-- ArcticStones

Jay Carr 04-12-2009 03:15 PM

To be honest, it's not the biggest problem for me. I'll probably keep the "I was Zalister" in my signature in some form (maybe not as bold). And on top of that, the only place former references might matter is in the Coat Room (at least that's what I think) and most of you here know that I switched. Between the two I'm feeling okay about this...

Though yeah, it could cause some complications... I like being complicated I guess :).

acme.mail.order 04-12-2009 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NovaScotian (Post 528454)
the webmaster did change all my prior entries to the new author name

Not difficult - one entry in the Users table. Forum software should do this in the Admin section.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArcticStones (Post 528455)
...broached this subject in the Moderators’ Section, asking if there is an easy way to globally change references to Zalister in various and sundry posts.

Also easy, but likely not in the admin pages. You'll need to massage the database directly. We have a large database and this query processes every entry. Deep breath... press enter.

--Dominus custodit te ab omni malo custodiat agnitio tuam Dominus.
--Dominus custodiat quaero tuum et restituo tuum ex hoc nunc et usque in saeculum.
UPDATE posts SET post_content = replace(post_content, 'Zalister', 'Jay Carr');

Eliwyn 04-14-2009 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Carr (Post 528266)
The main reason is because I feel that people, on the whole, lack social responsibility when on the web because they feel like no one really knows who they are, so they can act as they choose without repercussion. I feel that if people were to use their real names, they would be more likely to be responsible. When it's your real name, your real reputation is on the line.

That is true. I like your quote at the beginning. But to not be PC in some environments is not possible except for the most entrenched individuals. Expressing opinions as those in the latest locked forum could cost some people their careers, so anonymity will probably continue to not be uncommon. Hopefully they can still maintain their dignity and civilized decorum.:)

GavinBKK 04-25-2009 12:32 AM

Rob G. very helpfully changed mine for me some time ago. I started off as GBPMI. Maybe need another change now, as I no longer live in Bangkok, but moved south permanently. How about GavinSKL? :)

kel101 04-25-2009 04:30 PM

mods can i have mine just as kel.....believe it or not 101 isnt part of my name O_O

fazstp 04-27-2009 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kel101 (Post 530282)
mods can i have mine just as kel.....believe it or not 101 isnt part of my name O_O

Looks like someone else already took Kel so you probably missed that boat.

ThreeBKK 05-12-2009 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GavinBKK (Post 530215)
Rob G. very helpfully changed mine for me some time ago. I started off as GBPMI. Maybe need another change now, as I no longer live in Bangkok, but moved south permanently. How about GavinSKL? :)

Not a bad idea. Maybe then people will stop thinking we are actually the same person. You do realize that the airport code for your city is SGZ, correct? I'd change it to GavinSGZ to stay consistent. After doing some searching, I found out that SKL is actually the code for Broadford Airport, in the UK.

GavinBKK 05-12-2009 07:22 AM

Interesting......

You won't get a ticket here because it's a mil airstrip. We have to go out via Hat Yai (HDY), always assuming some coloured shirt isn't blockading the place.

Back on topic. Who thinks we are the same person then?

ThreeBKK 05-12-2009 07:30 AM

I can't find the post now. Someone raised a question about our similar names several months ago.

VirtualTracy 10-07-2010 03:27 AM

Very interesting topic
 
interesting thread ... personally I remember when I first started foruming that I really enjoyed some of the clever (at least to me) user names that I saw ... at that time I was stuck to come up with one of my own but after a while it became easier and now I prefer to put my brain cells to work creating a user name other than using my own name, which to me is plain.

However, I always have my real first name in my signature just to show I'm half human ... :D

EDIT ... speaking of which ... I have signatures enabled in my CP but can't see it in this post?

renaultssoftware 10-07-2010 07:53 AM

Bump!! :)

What's your sig supposed to be? You go to User CP » Edit Sig (sidebar).

VirtualTracy 10-07-2010 07:58 AM

my sig is plain, just my first name ... Marty.

When I made this post I noticed that it is now showing ... ;)


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