Safari Web Browser beta

[Craig R. Arko]

So, Apple's new web browser, Safari, is available in public beta for tryout. What do you think?

You don't need to post a response to vote in the poll.

[macmath]

I voted 'too early to tell', but I'm going to be using it by default until it gives me reason not to.

Something kind of interesting...

I downloaded the X11 beta with Safari from my office at an university and it came in at an incredible 426 Kb/sec. So I turned around and downloaded it with Mozilla 1.2 and it came in at 93 Kb/sec. I did the same with X11 SDK and the speeds were 435 Kb/sec with Safari and 127 Kb/sec with Mozilla. I then went to VersionTracker and downloaded two files at random: File1 (AIM) 439 Kb/sec with Safari and 343 Kb/sec with Mozilla. File2 (ezemotion) 131 Kb/sec with Safari and 118 Kb/sec with Mozilla.

Does anyone else notice differences like this? So far I really like it, but I really miss tabbed browsing.

[Dr.Evil]

There's not even basic CSS1 support present yet. That's probably because of its roots in kHTML, but it's still inexcusable for a modern browser. Let's hope they fix that in the final 1.0 release. Until then, it's still Chimera for me.

[Malleus]

I voted to stick with another option, Chimera to be specific. I'll be tabbed browsing till the day I die. Other than not having tabs, I think Safari is an excellent browser so far. It will be nice to have a more mainstream alternative to IE.

[doolio]

Exactly what CSS problems have you been having? So far I have not noticed any misrepresented CSS from sites I've designed.

from http://developer.kde.org

KHTML is an HTML4 compliant HTML library, with support for DOM, Java, JavaScript and Cascading Style Sheets (CSS).

[Dan Day]

So far so good, but like a lot of other people I miss tabbed browsing. For the kind of surfing I do that's the only thing it's lacking for me.

[Phil St. Romain]

It's actually quite fast, but as others have noted, it's missing some of the features I've come to rely on: tabbed browsing, form-fill, password manager, to name a few.

Still, Apple has entered the browser wars at long last and I'm sure will make a splash before it's over.

[macmath]

If you use ftp in Safari, it will mount the site on your desktop just as if you were using the menubar 'Go:Connect to Server...' in the finder.

ftp://ftp.barebones.com gives you ftp.barebones.com mounted in the Finder.

[Dr.Evil]

Originally posted by doolio
Exactly what CSS problems have you been having? So far I have not noticed any misrepresented CSS from sites I've designed.

Weird. I can't get it to work with localhost versions of the sites, but going to the actual sites brings up a full CSS-rendered version. I wonder what the problem is. The reference to the stylesheet is relative, not absolute. It just doesn't seem to load the stylesheet on a "localhost" address. Oh well. I stand corrected - the CSS looks pretty great.

[JayBee]

As a browser I like it - the bookmarks are very nicely done, the popup window blocker is a neat touch, and the UI is as typically ergonomic as you'd expect from an Apple product.

I expect my niggles to be ironed out by the time it reaches version 1.0, but I'm determined to try and use it as my "default" browser until then as far as possible, and fall back on IE when necessary.

My major niggle at this point is the sketchy CSS support. I'm a web developer, and my first thought on hearing about Safari was "Christ, ANOTHER one to develop for...". So far things seem to be okay, but there are some major issues with block element overflows and dimensions. DHTML seems to render quite nicely, though, which is always a bonus.

Further, there appears to be a problem with opening new windows and the Preferences dialogue - new windows ( command+n ) sometimes just won't open, and the Pref dialogue has a problem whereby images won't render and panes won't change.

I'll be using the handy "bug" button to mail these in :)

I want this app to succeed - Hats off to Chimera, but I could never get myself feeling comfortable with it when I started using it, and I think that's kind of stuck with me.

Oh, and yeah, tabbed browsing would be nice, but again I've never really found it THAT much of a *must have* item. I seem to be in the minority with this point of view, though, so could someone please fill me in on what the fuss is about? I'm convinced I'm missing something :D

PS - Can anyone get the .mac address book sync to work yet? This was my *long awaited* must have feature of iSync :)

[TheIceMan]

Well, it is too early to tell, but I have already sent in 3-4 bug reports in the past 30-45 minutes of surfing. One of the site it loaded incorrectly was macworld (http://www.macworld.com). I noticed that the vertical bar that runs in between the 2 search fields is crooked. At another site, Safari loaded the picture (which was suppose to be centered) in the upper left corner of the page. And yet another site, it didn't load the picture and it load it up on the left side of the page instead of the center. Another site (http://www.discount-phonecard.com) could not load the page at all. Try it. OmniWEb couldn't either. They should have tested it more thouroughly before releasing it out. I know it's still "beta", but they did have to rush it to production while sacrificing quality. Just my 2 cents. :rolleyes:

[mingking]

Originally posted by doolio
Exactly what CSS problems have you been having? So far I have not noticed any misrepresented CSS from sites I've designed.


Uh, like howbout the MacOSXHints main page? The column widths area wacky.

[edit: Hmm, seems to be working fine now. Did you guys quickly fix some 'errant' css code in the past few hours?]

[vickishome]

I love the speed!! However, it's clearly not fully featured yet. Will adding features slow things down in the long run? Is the speed I'm seeing now partly due to it being a rather stripped down browser?

I hope it succeeds somehow. I'd love to have an Apple browser after having IE thrown in my face for so long. Besides, Apple seems to know how to make slick software so I have high hopes for this one. :)

[mingking]

Originally posted by JayBee
Oh, and yeah, tabbed browsing would be nice, but again I've never really found it THAT much of a *must have* item. I seem to be in the minority with this point of view, though, so could someone please fill me in on what the fuss is about? I'm convinced I'm missing something :D


Tabbed browsing is great when you need to go back and forth between say two pages a lot. Like I keep the JavaDocs link up all the time while I am developing. Then I can go do some other research in another tab, say googling or something like that. Then back to the JavaDocs page without having to lose my place. Much faster than having two windows open at the same time. And it takes up less screen space. Then there is the multi-tab bookmark thing where you can click one bookmark and it automatically opens multiple pages each in a separate tab. Great for tasks where multiple pages are related, again like browsing online docs and such. And then I can also have another tab open to forum pages like this one or slashdot or other chats and such that refresh a lot and I go back frequently to see if there is feedback on one of my posts. Back and forth a lot - that's what it's for.

[mingking]

Originally posted by JayBee
PS - Can anyone get the .mac address book sync to work yet? This was my *long awaited* must have feature of iSync :)

Yesterday when I first installed iSync it looked like it was enabled, but when I told it to sync my address book it just hung out on a progress page saying it was syncing for a while (about 3 minutes) and then when I looked at my .Mac address book it wasn't synced.

Today if you go to the page the checkbox that was there to enable address book syncing is no longer available and it says 'coming soon'. Sounds like it is not quite ready yet. Maybe later today or soon.

Can you imagine the load on the Apple servers today? All the new hits at the store for the new hardware and all the new software downloads like Safari, iSync and X11? Slam!

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by JayBee
Oh, and yeah, tabbed browsing would be nice, but again I've never really found it THAT much of a *must have* item. ...so could someone please fill me in on what the fuss is about? I'm convinced I'm missing something :D
I was very sad to see no tabs in Safari. The xhints forum is a perfect example of how I use tabs.
I visit the forum main page, and choose view new posts. I have the scroll button on my mouse programmed to open a new tab, so as I peruse the list of new posts, I middle-click em to open the threads in new tabs. After going through the list of new posts, I click the "mark forums read" which takes me back to the forum homepage.
Now I start going through the tabs, perusing the content, posting replies to those that I have a contribution, closing others as I go, ending up back with one window, no tabs, ready to click "view new posts" to see what's transpired in the time I've been reading/posting.
In addition, I've programmed the thumb button on my mouse to cmd-w, which is close window or close tab, depending on what's open. Very handy.
I use the same technique on news sites, macsurfer, etc. If I think a link is going off on a new tangent, I may also open a new window instead, and start the tabbing from there.
I truly can't surf without tabs any more.

[Glanz]

I wouldn't even bother downloading it. Judging from Apple's recent conduct towards its users, they will probably put a $100 price tag on the first stable release after everyone gets hooked on it. Or maybe they'll start renting it for $8.87 / month.

[nkuvu]

I'm also a fan of tabbed browsing, and it is pretty well covered in previous posts.

But I have to say that I started tabbed browsing using Opera on Windows (which is a decent browser, as opposed to Opera on Mac). The primary advantage there is that each window has an entry on the taskbar, so browsing many sites took up tons of room on the taskbar. Opera solved that particular problem for me, and I got into the tabbed browsing habit.

Now I'm like AKcrab -- I don't think I could even consider using a non-tabbed browser as my primary browser.

And there needs to be another option on the poll -- "I don't have Jaguar so I will be forced to stick with something other than Safari". :)

[beedee]

oh come on... so they're charging for some of the iApps now.

look closer at that... only $50 dollars for 4 extremely powerful and useful tools. and if you don't have the money (you have money management problems ifyou can't come up w/$50, esp. if you can afford the cameras and setup ou'd need to use all 4 tools, but not this package), then you already have the 'lite' versions of them, being iTunes 3, iPhoto, iDVD, and iMovie included in OSX.

sure, they were free and now they aren't, but they're certainly going to give you more bang for the buck than a lot of similar software that's way overpriced and underfeatured.

Oh, and I'll say without fear of being proven wrong that Apple will never ask for a dime to upgrade Safari.

[homer]

Eh? It's $50 for the iLife bundle, and you can download for free the updates to all but iDVD. Or will be able to download, at any rate.

[Mikey-San]

Originally posted by Phil St. Romain
It's actually quite fast, but as others have noted, it's missing some of the features I've come to rely on: tabbed browsing, form-fill, password manager, to name a few.

Still, Apple has entered the browser wars at long last and I'm sure will make a splash before it's over.

Aww, Phil, you don't remember Cyberdog? [http://www.google.com/search?q=cyberdog]

;-)

Safari needs only a few things to rule the world:

- Source view
- Tabs (along with key modifiers to manipulate window and tab stacking when you click links)
- Nesting of sub-folders in bookmark folders
- Ad (not just pop-up/unders) blocking
- A configurable toolbar with non-assy widgets ;-)

Whee! It's fast!

Things it doesn't need:

- That brushed metal crap (Ugh! Not in a browser, please!)

Other than that, very awesome move.



-/-
Mikey-San

[beedee]

yeah, i just edited my post when i saw i typed $25.

i still stick by what i said, even if it is $50. honestly, how can someone pay $500-$5000 on a digital camcorder and or camera, and dvd-r, and then whine about paying $50 for a package that maximize their use beyond any other consumer targeted software (most of which costs about the same for ONE of the four you get w/iLife).

[beedee]

Safari needs only a few things to rule the world:

- Source view
- Tabs (along with key modifiers to manipulate window and tab stacking when you click links)
- Nesting of sub-folders in bookmark folders
- Ad (not just pop-up/unders) blocking
- A configurable toolbar with non-assy widgets

Source view? Option+Command+V

sure they could use a button on the tool bar, or a simpler shortcut, but the source opens 10x faster than it does in mozilla (my default browser)

[Glanz]

Originally posted by beedee
oh come on...
Oh, and I'll say without fear of being proven wrong that Apple will never ask for a dime to upgrade Safari.

:):) Justy kiddin' around...... however, I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled an "Opera" on us.....

[thempauls]

When opening a new window via javascript, Safari seems to have a problem with adding extra space to the window. I thought at first maybe it's trying to build in space for scrollbars, but this is definitely wider than would be needed for those, even.

For example, check out http://www.bonfiresnow.com/

[UltraNurd]

Safari seems really nice, but when I first got Chimera, it came across as the kind of product that Apple itself would release. Safari has similar features, like very few and very simple preferences, and a light and fluffy UI. It also has support for Cocoa Gestures, which is even more important to me than tabbed browsing; it's how I navigate the web (and the tabs themselves, for that matter). Unless Safari gets tabs, I probably won't switch, but if a Chimera upgrade makes it temporarily crash-prone, I might use it as a pinch hitter browser. I'll keep it around, at least. Suffice it to say IE is done :) .

As for iLife, my understanding is you only need to pay if you want the latest version of iDVD and have an older SuperDrive-equipped computer. New computers with SuperDrives get the new version, either pre-installed or through Up-To-Date. I suppose you might pay if you like boxes and manuals, or if your connection is too slow to even download the iPhoto and iMovie updates.

[rhebert1]

I have to say, Safari has great potential... this browser is fast and looks as good as OmniWeb !!! It does need some finishing as has been posted already (tabbed windows, keychain access, form manager) but give me these, and this will be my default.

[silicondiode]

Safari sucks IE bookmarks automagically, but i use Mozilla and more recently Chimera. has anyone gotten Safari to so an html or xml bookmark file import yet?

[lerkfish]

from my limited testing thus far, it seems very fast in some sites once I get there..
I DO get hangs before accessing sites, though.

[schwartze]

Originally posted by silicondiode
Safari sucks IE bookmarks automagically, but i use Mozilla and more recently Chimera. has anyone gotten Safari to so an html or xml bookmark file import yet?

the crude way I did it was to export my bookmarks from Chimera, open up IE (for the first time since I installed Jaguar :) ) dragged the exported bookmarks there, then opened up Safari and they were there under Imported IE bookmarks...

I am sure there is an easier way, but I didn't have the patience to figure it out

it really was faster than that sounded I promise

[darkpaw]

View Source is a mere right-click, or Control-click away :)

And... is it just me, or does pressing Command + Home (the button to the right of the "help" key on an Apple Pro keyboard) wipe the page, set the background to white and clear the address bar as if it's a "clear this window" shortcut? It leaves the title of the window alone, but clears everything else. If Command + End (the key beneath home) goes to the bottom of the page, shouldn't Command + Home go to the top??? I have bugged this.

[Glanz]

It's a lot slower than Chimera, and 10 times slower than Galeon on Fink. The main reason I don't like it is that it is based on one of the worst browsers around: Konqueror. It may be light in code weight, but it is heavy in operation nevertheless. Maybe some day..... *sigh*

The aforementioned was the polite version, now here's my real opinion: it stinks.

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by darkpaw
If Command + End (the key beneath home) goes to the bottom of the page, shouldn't Command + Home go to the top??? I have bugged this.
Plain old 'home' takes me to the top, and plain old 'end' takes me to the bottom...
You can use cmd-up arrow, and cmd-down arrow as well.
Cmd-home takes one to the designated start page, no?

Glanz, what do you mean "heavy in operation"? My experience so far is that it's as fast or faster then chimera (which I've been using for months), wonder why your safari seems so slow?

[bluehz]

I tried Safari today and liek all the other iApps - I think they are fantastic for a specific segment of Mac users. Mainly the user that simply wants to open the box, pull out his new Mac, plug it in and go. IMHO - none of the Apple apps are feature rich enough for my needs, but perfect for the average users. In particular with Safari - I can;t imagine a browser without "tabbed browsing" feature. Also - one oddity that really ticks me off about Safari - no way to turn off the underlined links on pages....I have ALWAYS hated that and its always the first thing I turn off when I use a browser. Unless I just missed it - I can find no way to disable underlined links in Safari.

[miklb]

Let me say as an Apple user who's not in the computer business, I think safari is what the doctor ordered. Being new to OS X (got the deal for educators-my wife), I haven't had long to be spoiled by other browsers. I was stuck w/ IE for the most part when using os 9. My wife, who uses the internet less, found it the easiest to navigate with. The speed is unbelievable. Try browsing a graphics heavy site. I went to a family web site that had a scrap book of photos, and it was unbelievable. The bookmark feature, even my novice wife who has stayed away from bookmarks for the most part, will find ease in the system. I will say I was spoiled by the auto-fill feature.
It appears from most of the posts at this site that I will be of the minority in that I'm not a tech guru, but let me say that there are a lot of us out there who after a couple of years of toiling away getting familiar with the system, are beginning to want to take a closer look under the hood. And it appears Apples decsion to go the OSX route was in perfect timing for an imac family like myself.

Thanks to all those who post here, its helped me work a few kinks in the system out.

[jiclark]

Anyone been able to figure out how to disable window cascading in Safari? I tried the usual 'default writes', etc. but no luck. It seems to have the same problem that iCal did originally also: when you size your window to fill your screen, the next time you open a new window (or simply relaunch), the window is opened slightly down and to the right, leaving the scroll bars and resize widget off-screen!

Oh well, I'll bug-report it, and assume it'll be fixed by the time it goes to 1.0!

All in all, I like it. I've been a dedicated OmniWebber, but Safari handles javascript better, and looks just as good. [I've never minded the brushed-metal look, not that big a deal to me...]

[griffman]

For me, tabbed browsing is a must ... also, does anyone see a way to see the destination URL before you click on it? Most other browsers show it on mouse-over...

-rob.

[mingking]

Originally posted by griffman
For me, tabbed browsing is a must ... also, does anyone see a way to see the destination URL before you click on it? Most other browsers show it on mouse-over...

-rob.

Turn on Status Bar in the View menu.

[JayBee]

w00t, has anyone tried the "activity window" from the Window menu? Shows a drop-down listing of all assets for a page.

Nice for development :)

[darkpaw]

Originally posted by AKcrab
Cmd-home takes one to the designated start page, no?
If it does that, then why when you click Back, does it display the page previous to the one it cleared? In other words, follow this path: Site 1, Site 2, Site 3, Cmd+Home, Back. You get to Site 2 instead of Site 3. Must be a bug???

[logo]

Major file corruption after downloading with Safari!

Check this out:

Apple Discussions on Safari (http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@249.02qVaVo2f8d.0@.3bbdb9d6)

As I'm not the only one affected, this may cause some BIG problems to everyone here!

I don't want to exagerate, but this has caused me some big pain in the b....

[grison]

for those who don't like the metal look, the bug button is there for a reason :D

[Glanz]

Originally posted by logo
Major file corruption after downloading with Safari!

I don't want to exagerate, but this has caused me some big pain in the b....

WoW! ThanX for telling us! Too bad about your situation. I feel for you. Just to be safe, I am deleting Safari. It will now be relegated to the graveyard where I burried IE as soon as I bought my iBook.

[Phil St. Romain]

The author of the Danger! post on the Apple discussion board speaks of this happening when he option-clicked on a link "to test a download." I'm not sure what this means, but I don't intend to do any option-clicking on links to test downloads, that's for sure.

I've downloaded several things so far and they went to the right folder, opened and installed OK. Anyone else? How much caution is warranted regarding downloads, here?

[lerkfish]

but I will have to try that "option-clicking a link" thing to see what he's talking about.

[sao]

I downloaded several things with no problem. But never option-clicked a link.

Cheers...

[eviltwin]

Originally posted by TheIceMan
Well, it is too early to tell, but I have already sent in 3-4 bug reports in the past 30-45 minutes of surfing. One of the site it loaded incorrectly was macworld (http://www.macworld.com). I noticed that the vertical bar that runs in between the 2 search fields is crooked. At another site, Safari loaded the picture (which was suppose to be centered) in the upper left corner of the page. And yet another site, it didn't load the picture and it load it up on the left side of the page instead of the center. Another site (http://www.discount-phonecard.com) could not load the page at all. Try it. OmniWEb couldn't either. They should have tested it more thouroughly before releasing it out. I know it's still "beta", but they did have to rush it to production while sacrificing quality. Just my 2 cents. :rolleyes:

I get a horrible feeling that the Safari development team are going to be extremely busy just checking out a lot of badly coded sites. Could be a long time before we get our tabs if they are having to check up on 'bugs' that turn out just to be a site using a browser detection script and redirecting if they don't recognise it.

Incidentally, Safari identifies itself to these scripts as Netscape 5 at the moment for compatibility, presumably as a lot of detection scripts look for the Netscape version to be higher than 4.7.

[mnewman]

Originally posted by JayBee
so could someone please fill me in on what the fuss is about? I'm convinced I'm missing something :D


Tabbed browsing is especially nice on an iBook with little screen real estate: it eliminates clutter and makes it really easy to switch from page to page. Having half a dozen stacked browser windows on a 12" screen is just not very practical.

[beedee]

wow! here's another example of safari kicking major ass in the speed department... if you use WebMin, check it out in Safari, it loads at least 200% faster than moz or chimera on my machine. that's awesome... i always kind of hated using webmin because of how damn slow the pages would render.

[darkpaw]

Anyone noticed when you click and drag on a link? You get a sweet little graphic of the link name and the URL ot goes to. Very nice. It's the little touches that make it great to me :)

[baryonyx]

This browser is definitely faster than Chimera, which means it is now faster than my 1.7 GHz XP box running IE. Yippee!

Only problems thus far are the aforementioned tabbed browsing--Chimera really implements this feature well--and a problem with JavaScript when my wife was placing an order at LL Bean last night.

Safari's speed brings up an issue for me, though. Why is it that Chimera and Safari are so dang fast and Mozilla and IE such slackers? Could this be a shared-code issue with the latter two?

Anyway, this is a fabulous beta. Waiting for 1.1 to see how things shake out (maybe we'll get tabbed browsing then)

[Phil St. Romain]

What "engine" did Apple use in developing Safari? Did they start from scratch and build their own browsher, or did they take some kind of open-source project and modify it? Anyone know?

[vickishome]

Phil,

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/07.safari.php

rendering engine based on KHTML, from KDE's Konqueror open source project.

[bassi]

If anybody is interested in the Safari background, and comments from David Hyatt who came from Chimera to Apple follow this (http://mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/) link and this (http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=104197092318639&w=2) link.

Unfortunately, I'm away from my Mac and posting this with Phoenix on an XP box. I do have a question for Safari users; how does the browser handle online banking sites?

[torndownunit]

I didn't even know about some of the missing features/standards support that I read in this thread. It just comes down to a simple issue of tabs for me. I am addicted to tabbed browsing and I can't function without it.

[miklb]

Originally posted by bassi
If anybody is interested in the Safari background, and comments from David Hyatt who came from Chimera to Apple follow this (http://mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/) link and this (http://lists.kde.org/?l=kfm-devel&m=104197092318639&w=2) link.

Unfortunately, I'm away from my Mac and posting this with Phoenix on an XP box. I do have a question for Safari users; how does the browser handle online banking sites?

Just went to my bank site, checked my account, and it worked fine (could've added a few zeros to my account:D )

And as far as https, worked fine.

Very few problems so far. Was as the ups site and had a few problems clicking on obvious links , and actually in this form, occasionally I can't get a back arrow to return to previous page, otherwise, still very happy. Might not be new to most, but I like the cookies function of accept only from this site- not advertisers.

[miklb]

Does anyone know anything about the spelling option under edit in Safari? What is it tied to? It's a great app to have, just wondered where it was feeding from.

[Phil St. Romain]

Originally posted by miklb
Does anyone know anything about the spelling option under edit in Safari? What is it tied to? It's a great app to have, just wondered where it was feeding from.

That's the system-wide spell-check which is available to all Cocoa apps. Very nice indeed!

Thanks for the info, Vicki and bassi. Seems Apple is getting along better with the open-source community these days. I especially look for great things in the future with regard to the X-Window environment, X11 being a really good start.

[bassi]

My original gripe with Mozilla/Chimera and Opera was with my online banking. One bank is OK with all the alternate browsers but my main banking site chokes on them and requires IE. It looks like a javascript/browser ID thing which ticks me off. I'll have to wait until I get back to the mothership to check it out on my Mac. The cookie function looks like a good step forward. We all need more zeros in our accounts and I'm personally going to submit a bug report to Apple about that. ;)

On a side note, I find browsing on a 1.6 Ghz XP box a pain. I used IE for a while and now Phoenix but it doesn't compare to Chimera on my TiBook. Scrolling is faster in IE and Phoenix on XP though. I hope Safari solves that niggle.

[Morpheus]

This browser beats all others in speed. I like tabbed browsing, i think everyone would agree to that. But for now on, i think ill be using Safari....you just cant beat the speed. It still in its early stages guys ...give it to more versions...i guarentee all will use this......

[Jacques]

It's Chimera if only for the tabs, that's the only way I'll browse now - it's just that much better for me!

--

Someone I know spoke with some Apple folks two days ago, it's good news that tabs ARE going to be implemented into Safari - that will be the day Chimera may start to lose it's appeal.

I would love to also see implemented two things IE has the ability to do - scrapbook and the ability to download entire websites for offline viewing.

Jacques

[miklb]

There is a revision 51 out, Apple says update, however, when downloaded, it intstalls as a seperate app. Curious. Versiontracker has it as .8 something, again Apple calls it 1.0 beta v51(as opposed v48)

[darkpaw]

It is an update to the Beta app, but it is not an updater in that sense. It is a full and complete download of the app, just a newer version that doesn't toast the Home folder of some people... :)

[Phil St. Romain]

Anyone else having trouble loading Quicktime? I crash every single time, including Apple's own Switcher Ads pages. Using v. 0.8.1

[vickishome]

What version of QuickTime? I've heard reports of people having problems installing the new version so I have declined to upgrade for now. I have used my QuickTime several times today (both online and from my HD) with no problems. I'm using version 6.0.2.

PS... Isn't version 0.8.1 for Safari and not QuickTime?

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by Phil St. Romain
Anyone else having trouble loading Quicktime? I crash every single time, including Apple's own Switcher Ads pages. Using v. 0.8.1
I just watched Will Farrell Santa... Quicktime 6.1, Safari 1.0 Beta (v51). Dunno why versiontracker listed it as 0.8.1...

[modelamac]

I like it well enough to make it the default browser. I'll miss tabs very much, but they may show later. I use NS 7 for my email, and it is always open. If I need form fill or tabbing at the moment, I can always paste the link in NS navigator, do the job, and return to Safari.

Safari doesn't handle my Netscape.net or bank account, YET. It handles flash-type webpages better than Chimera.

[modelamac]

Mikeysan

You can already create sub-folders for bookmark folders in Safari bookmarks. Just name a new folder in the left column. Move it to the proper spot in the right column of the proper group (toolbar or IE Imports or whatever). Then fill it up by drag n drop.

You can move any bookmark or folder between the 2 columns until you get the arrangement you want. You can move 5 or 10 at a time. Its quick and slick.

You can also drag n drop (into Safari bookmarks ) any bookmark file that you can export to the desktop.

[Phil St. Romain]

Vicki et al, it's QT 6.1 and the Safare update was listed on VT as 0.8.1, which is odd since the previous version was 1.0.

No matter what I do, I can't play QT movies. Always crashes.

[AKcrab]

Phil, you're not alone (http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=140010).
(unless that's you posting over there, which I seriously doubt.) :p

[miklb]

Originally posted by Phil St. Romain
Vicki et al, it's QT 6.1 and the Safare update was listed on VT as 0.8.1, which is odd since the previous version was 1.0.

No matter what I do, I can't play QT movies. Always crashes.

I'm not sure where versiontracker got theirs, but Apple has a 1.0 v51 (up from the v48 I had) and just had no problem watching Quicktime trailer at Apple w/Quicktime 6.1. Maybe you can get the Apple site download, and trash the .8.

[jiclark]

In typical Apple fashion, we're all actually talking about the same thing.

If you look at the original app in the Finder, it says version 0.8, but Show Info says 1.0 (build 48), and that's what it says when you open 'About Safari' from within the app.

Now, the new one says 0.8.1 in the Finder, but Show Info and 'About Safari' say 1.0 (build 51).

So does that make everything clear as mud???

:D

John-o

[miklb]

Has any one had problems with Safari not loading sites? It seems that if I've had the app open a long time, it will sometimes hang up loading sites. At first I thought it was my cable modem going down, as the action is similar as when the cable goes down a minute, but I opened another browser, and it opened the site fine. If I quit Safari and restart, it opens the site. It doesn't do it with any frequency yet, so I don't really know what to report via the bug function. Just curious if anyone else has experienced the problem?

[jiclark]

I've noticed a couple of things: one time it had developed a serious memory leak or something; I had noticed my CPU percentages were really high, so I popped into top and Safari was using something like 125%!!! A quick quit-and-relaunch fixed it. Other times I've noticed that it seems to get really sluggish; I have to do a stop/reload sequence to get it going again. I was wondering if it was due to my recent installation of Privoxy (which is pretty cool, btw), but now I'm not so sure.

I'll be curious to see if others post similar experiences. I forgot to use the "bug-button" to report the CPU-hog behavior; I'll have to do that.

Later,
John-o

[mervTormel]

i run safari (can we call it fish or wood or something else? i feel like i'm going on an adventure where i need to kill something) with privoxy and it goes bugnuts when i visit an https:// page. otherwise, it is rather well behaved.

[jiclark]

It took me about two minutes to realize that I needed to disable Privoxy for secure sites. I figured I visited them so much less frequently that it wasn't a big deal.

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, it seems that secure sites are a little less likely to be full of bouncy, animated, ads of the obnoxious sort that I'm trying to avoid!

As to the name of this browser, I'm not sure what we should call it, but I agree it's a pretty stupid name. That Stevie, he's got such a sense of humor!

;)

[jiclark]

I'm trying to figure out why Safari doesn't use the built-in behavior of some sites anymore. For instance, on the main page at MacOSXhints, clicks on any of the latest postings here at the forum site would automatically open in a new window. I *know* this worked early on, but it doesn't now!? Is this possibly something that Privoxy is causing?

Another example, JerryKindall.com (http://www.jerrykindall.com/), has a button that is selected by default that "opens off-site links in new window". That feature doesn't work any more either. The only way to force a new window is the usual command-click.

The more I think about this, the more I think it must be Privoxy that's doing it. Now, is there a way to fix it? Merv?

Thanks,
John-o

[mervTormel]

yep. it's privoxy. you'll need to disable filter and kill popups...

http://config.privoxy.org/edit-actions-list?f=default

-filter {popups}
-kill-popups

unfortunately, now you get pop-up ads.

[jiclark]

unfortunately, now you get pop-up ads.

But, if I leave Safari's blocker enabled (which I did from the start, and the sites seemed to behave properly), then all should be well?

I'll try it and report back.

Have you come up with an alternative name yet?

[Dale Sorel]

Just disable the proxy for HTTPS and all is good :D