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jwd
09-14-2006, 04:40 PM
For the last few months (2 - I think) I've been experiencing some strange symptoms. I know I really should probably wipe the drive and update my system (have my eye on panther).

But for now - I'd just like to get some functionality back.
Here is an approximate timeline of my symptoms;

2 months ago - lost the ability to drag icons on the desktop or between folders (checked lock status - it wasn't that) - dragging WITHIN apps is/was fine.

1 week ago - my user accounts control panel started getting really flakey. It just acts ODD - I can't add a new user. When I go in to modify user prefs, it stays greyed out - and the password appears to have one too many characters. Clicking on MORE under "about this computer" will NOT launch my ASP.

yesterday - lost the ability to run dmg files. Get message asking me what app I want to open them with.

It seems there's something odd happening - and it's just getting worse. I tried removing login and finder prefs under my current user - but it does nothing. I tried downloading tinkertool to remove the invisible backup prefs but I can't load it because of the DMG problem mentioned.

ANY SUGGESTIONS??

Thanks so much.

hayne
09-14-2006, 04:52 PM
You should try the standard troubleshooting suggestions:
http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/ (see the "My Mac needs help" section)
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2004011205473937
http://forums.osxfaq.com/viewtopic.php?t=7269
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/faqs.html

In particular, be sure to do "Repair Disk" (different from "Repair Disk Permissions"!) in Disk Utility when booted from the Install CD/DVD. I.e. you restart from the Install CD/DVD, then run the version of Disk Utility that is available from one of the menus there.
See this Apple doc:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214


But I'd really recommend upgrading to at least Panther (10.3) (check first that your Mac is compatible with Panther of course) as it is much better and faster than Jaguar (10.2). Jaguar is now a very old version of OS X.
You can usually get a copy of older versions of OS X on eBay quite cheaply. Make sure that you get a retail version of the CD, not just an upgrade or "restore" disk (that came with some particular model of Mac).

jwd
09-14-2006, 04:56 PM
Already tried 'disk permission' repair with disk repair.
It did nothing, sadly.

I've been all over all the apple faqs... though I didn't glean much from them.

hayne
09-14-2006, 05:07 PM
Already tried 'disk permission' repair with disk repair.
It did nothing, sadly.
You mean it didn't find anything needing repair, or that it found some things needing repair but couldn't fix them?

jwd
09-14-2006, 05:34 PM
... sorry. Meaning: it found a few things (stuffit expander, system preferences) that needed repair, it 'fixed' them - but didn't make any difference at all to the behavioral problems.

hayne
09-14-2006, 05:51 PM
Meaning: it found a few things (stuffit expander, system preferences) that needed repair, it 'fixed' them - but didn't make any difference at all to the behavioral problems.

I think you must be talking about permission repair.
I was suggesting Disk Repair, not permission repair. Disk Repair doesn't usually mention specific application names.
See the Apple doc referred to above.

jwd
09-14-2006, 05:59 PM
Yes it does. There's an option to repair permissions in the Disk Utility.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106712

This is the course of action I followed.

voldenuit
09-14-2006, 06:11 PM
Unfortunately, Jaguar does not yet offer to repair the disk when booting from the install media. Boot from another platform or use applejack.sf.net to repair your filesystem.
And refrain from trying to teach hayne a lesson, while he's awfully nice and won't point it out unduly, he has a lot more experience than you do ;) ...

jwd
09-14-2006, 06:18 PM
Voldenuit - hey - not trying to teach anyone any lesson. I'm sorry, hayne, if it came off that way. I was just responding to his comment - I thought I was just being matter of fact (should I have worded it differently?). I'm not exactly inexperienced with some of this stuff. I HAVE been using and doing sys admin on macs for about 20 years... though I'm very new to OS X. So I'm a newbie with some of the specifics to OS X superficialities. I certainly appreciate any help that anyone can provide.

voldenuit
09-14-2006, 06:29 PM
Try one of the two suggestions in my post (first sentence...).

Post error messages if you get any.

hayne
09-14-2006, 10:15 PM
Jaguar does not yet offer to repair the disk when booting from the install media.
Really? The Apple doc I referred to above doesn't mention this - I would have thought it would if Disk Repair wasn't available from the version of Disk Utility on the Jaguar Install CD.
Jaguar is so long ago that I don't remember much at all, so I won't argue.
In any case, you can (and should) run 'fsck' after booting into single-user mode as explained in that Apple doc.
(The applejack utility recommended by voldenuit is just a textual interface for running 'fsck' (and other stuff). I'm not at all sure that the currently available version of applejack is good for Jaguar, so I would tend to go for the manual invoking of 'fsck' from single-user mode.)