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blastyoboots
01-02-2006, 08:51 PM
I converted from Outlook Express to Apple Mail quite a while ago. However, I have run into many problems because of a feature I'm missing: I don't know if or when others have read my e-mails. Is there any tool I can use / method to get this information without sacrificing Apple Mail?

Hawk Wings
01-03-2006, 05:35 PM
There is. You will find a few links to an "all-or-nothing" Terminal hack here (http://www.timgaden.com/hawkwings/2005/09/09/return-receipts-in-mail-20/) and an applescript that replies but can't request receipts here (http://www.timgaden.com/hawkwings/2006/01/04/applescript-to-answer-a-return-receipt-in-mailapp/).

rj89
01-04-2006, 12:19 AM
i believe this service cost money but they'll tell if the email was read and when. www.didtheyreadit.com and i believe this one is free http://www.readnotify.com/default.asp/from/glerdrcpt but im not sure there could be costs somewhere.

Hawk Wings
01-04-2006, 01:22 AM
Do you mean http://readnotify.com (http://www.readnotify.com/)? I didn't know that.

The main thing is that the AppleScript doesn't cost money :-)

CAlvarez
01-04-2006, 05:36 AM
All of these things depend on recipient-side compliance. If you sent me a message with return receipt requested or with one of those embedded graphics, you'd never know if I read it because I block all that. In addition, some clients may erroneously send a read reply or view. The technology is not suitable for really knowing if it was read.

Hawk Wings
01-04-2006, 06:40 AM
Sure, you'll get no arguments from me about any of that.

I don't live in a corporate or business world where people expect read receipt replies, so I happily ignore them all too.

But not everyone is so lucky :-(

acme.mail.order
01-04-2006, 07:05 AM
readnotify.com is doing some interesting things with their mail, and they aren't being overly creative with their explanations either. If you have control over your mail server then you can tell if a message has been delivered to the recipient's server. You CANNOT tell if it landed in the recipient's mailbox unless you also control the recipient's mail server (at which point you can tell if the message got downloaded). You still can't tell if someone read it by any server/sender process.

What you CAN do to see if it's been read, and you don't need anything other than a domain and a webhost that provides logging, is borrow some spammer techniques. You send an html message that includes an inline image that encodes the recipient's email address in the image URL. When the message is opened, the client attempts to get the image. Wether it's there on your server is irrelevant - you just look in the logs to see if the request is there. A bit of scripting can add a lot of functionality here.

Note, however, if "load inline images" is off you still don't find out.

vickishome
01-04-2006, 07:27 AM
Note, however, if "load inline images" is off you still don't find out.
This is precisely why I like using MailSmith so I can view emails as text only without it trying to download any images. I find it such an invasion of my privacy for anyone to know if and when I read any of my emails. It is simply none of their business. If I wish to reply, I will. Otherwise...

This is also why I love iChat's ability to be put on "away" and stay there indefinitely. My friends have the option of trying to chat with me, and if I don't respond (because I'm gone OR I'm busy OR I just don't feel like it at that moment), they can leave me a message. No one can track when I come and go on the computer.

Why do people have a need to know when emails or read or when people are at their computer or whatever? It makes me feel as if people are wanting to spy on me.

BTW, because I DO feel this way, when I receive an email with an embedded webbug (one of those tiny images that indicates when an email has been read), I generally try to stay away from whomever has sent the email. I may be the only person to respond that way, but maybe not... Just a thought to consider before using something like that in an email of any importance. It might not be the impression one wishes to make. :)

blastyoboots
01-07-2006, 11:46 AM
You will find a few links to an "all-or-nothing" Terminal hack here

The all-or-nothing link winds up broken when I use it; the link to the actual code/instructions found through it (here (http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@589.0XTAaYyaRhH.0@.68b377c0)) leads to an error.

Why do people have a need to know when emails or read or when people are at their computer or whatever? It makes me feel as if people are wanting to spy on me.

I know that it may be a turnoff for some people to recieve a reciept request, but not having this has had serious work-related consequences. Toward the end of last year I had been sending e-mails to meet a deadline, and, when the recipients complained about not getting them in time, I sent a test e-mail to myself, horrified to recieve it a whole week later. The kind of problems you describe are nothing compared to the consequences of not knowing if clients recieve vital information.

Lastly, I only need something simple, like just a time and date, nothing more. If I have to actually pay for something I got for free in Outlook, I might as well switch back. But, of course, I wish to avoid M$, so anyone with a working link to that terminal hack, please post it!

hayne
01-07-2006, 12:12 PM
The all-or-nothing link winds up broken when I use it; the link to the actual code/instructions found through it (here (http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@589.0XTAaYyaRhH.0@.68b377c0)) leads to an error.

The original page that was linked to above also mentioned that the same idea was posted as a hint on the main macosxhints page:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050512155856402

kobi34
01-23-2009, 03:47 AM
You can count how many times an email sent has been read by the user using the free service of www.mailcounter.info

It is completely free, just follow the instructions.

It does not let the reader know that you are counting email.

GavinBKK
10-06-2011, 03:46 AM
Any updates on this subject?

I, too, feel that this is a terrible invasion of privacy.

acme.mail.order
10-06-2011, 03:55 AM
What updates were you expecting?

Not much will change until the entire email system is replaced with something else (read: never) - it's possible (and very easy) to get positive acknowledgement that the email has been opened if the reader chooses to let you know. It's not possible to find out if it hasn't been opened.

GavinBKK
10-06-2011, 06:04 AM
Not expecting, just asking.

ReadNotify claims to do this without the recipients' consent. If I read you correctly, you say that it requires the readers' consent in some way?

Previewing an email (blue button intact in Apple Mail) doesn't count either way?

acme.mail.order
10-06-2011, 06:13 AM
The reader's mail client has to send something back - usually this is an image or similar html request. If that happens you have positive confirmation that some mail client opened the message. If that doesn't happen, then you just don't know. Maybe ReadNotify's fine print mentions this part, but it's not possible to know both ways. I.e. you can tell that the message was opened, but you can't tell that the message was not opened.

GavinBKK
10-06-2011, 10:36 AM
OK, thanks for that.

Alles klar, as the say in Germany.

;-)