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geekgrrl
02-20-2005, 02:41 PM
Has anyone else noticed this? I have used firefox almost exclusively since it first came out in beta (I use safari sometimes) and have NEVER seen a popup. Just this week I started getting pop-ups (on blogger pages and in other places) and sometimes I get ones that make my cursor dissappear and then I have to restart firefox. This is really getting annoying! Is this because the browser is becoming so popular that folks have learned how to hack past its popup blocker?

I am running 10.3.8 on my 800 mhz ibook and the latest release of Firefox 1.0

thanks! -Wendy

MBHockey
02-20-2005, 02:42 PM
I've been experiencing some pop ups with Safari...i don't know about Firefox.

DeltaMac
02-20-2005, 02:55 PM
I haven't seen any pop-ups, just pop-unders. Several sites that I frequently access have pop-unders now - just started happening a few weeks ago. Apparently not specific to any browser, or the Mac for that matter.

geekgrrl
02-20-2005, 03:01 PM
ahh- yes I am getting "pop-unders" so not quite as annoying as "pop-overs" would be. :) I've used a mac for so long I am not used to dealing with these pesky things. Glad to know it's not just me though. I wonder if firefox will release a new version to deal with these?

MBHockey
02-20-2005, 03:05 PM
I didn't know there was a difference...but indeed the ones i am getting too are pop unders.

Makoto
02-20-2005, 03:12 PM
You can always use the AdBlock extension to block the server that's sending the popups at its source (example: http://www.adserver.com/*). (Well, on Firefox/Mozilla, anyway.)

Maybe the adwriters are exploiting some different methods of generating ads (say, for example, different Javascript routines) that the 'normal' popup blockers don't yet recognize.

DeltaMac
02-20-2005, 03:25 PM
HERE'S (http://www.popuptraffic.com/) an interesting link. Check the NEW! paragraph - from the kind folks who actually brag about pop-ups/unders. I guess a 'layered' ad is somewhere else than on top (pop-up)

DavidRavenMoon
02-20-2005, 03:35 PM
Yeah, I got one the other day in Safari too... I guess the ad-scum have devised a new method to annoy us! :(

voldenuit
02-20-2005, 04:13 PM
The people who run the service posted by deltamac run a pretty outdated linux-machine:

21/tcp open ftp WU-FTPD wu-2.6.1-20
22/tcp open ssh?
25/tcp open smtp Sendmail 8.11.2/8.11.2
80/tcp open http Apache httpd 1.3.20 ((Unix) PHP/4.0.6)
111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #100000)

It would be really sad for them if Bad Packets were sent their way... :cool:

Irene
02-20-2005, 04:35 PM
MacFixIt had a good article about this.
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20050218022511830

They say: "we've been buried by reader confirmations of such issues -- one of the most overwhelming responses to a specific issue we've ever had.

"The overwhelming consensus of readers is that pop-under ads -- windows that open behind the current browser window -- are the real issue.

"The incidence of these pop-under ads has been increasing since their apparent "debut" a few weeks ago.

Not just Safari Contrary to initial reports, this problem isn't limited to Safari; subsequent reports have noted pop-under ads victimizing a number of browsers that provide pop-up-blocking features, including the latest versions of Safari, FireFox, Mozilla, OmniWeb, and Camino.

Not just Macs Reader Dan Kelly notes that the issue also isn't limited to Mac browsers: "Recently I have found a similar issue with pop-ups in Firefox on my work PC. It may be that the advertisers have discovered a way around the blockers, rather than an issue with Safari itself."

Apparent new ad technologies Since this issue is not limited to Mac OS X 10.3.8, Safari, or even Macs, it seems pretty clear that the real issue is not the Mac OS X 10.3.8 Update, but rather that Web advertisers have figured out a way to get around increasingly popular pop-up blockers. As reader Sandro writes, "As a web developer I have seen JavaScript workarounds for popup blockers so Iím thinking...that the popup ad makers have gotten wise."

Some ad companies are even bragging about their ability to subvert pop-up blockers. For example, popuptraffic.com features the following blurb on their home page:

"Due to the proliferation of Popupblockers we have altered our popup code so that if a blocker is detected a layer ad will be delivered. This will increase your overall daily impressions and revenues."

" Note that most of these sites use cookies to determine if you've already "seen" their pop-up or pop-under ads, so once the ad appears, you will not see it again until the next hour/day/week/etc. (whatever time period the site or ad provider have chosen). Some users have misinterpreted this behavior as a reflection that something they've done has "prevented" seeing ads, but the reality is that the site has simply fulfilled its hourly/daily/weekly ad quota for those users.

" Until Web browser developers figure out a way to block these new ads, MacFixIt readers have suggested a few ways to avoid pop-unders:
Disable JavaScript in your browser In our testing at MacFixIt, this does appear to prevent most pop-under ads; however, it also means that you lose desired JavaScript functionality."

MBHockey
02-21-2005, 07:39 AM
Grrr...I hope they fix this for Safari 2.0!

For now i've disabled JavaScript for Safari...we'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the link, Irene.

MBHockey
02-22-2005, 10:58 PM
I wonder if the security update just released fixes this issue. In the details it said it was updating "JavaScriptCore"

Is it a possibility?

MBHockey
02-22-2005, 11:32 PM
Grrrr...nevermind. Just got a pop-under in Safari.

:( :( :(

CAlvarez
02-23-2005, 02:51 PM
adblock.mozilla.org

It blocks a lot of other annoyances. Alone they weren't annoying enough for me to do something about it, but with this new onslaught, I've become much more proactive about removing ads. I never realized how much space is wasted by ads and just how annoying they really were.

bramley
02-23-2005, 03:25 PM
One word: Privoxy (http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/11923)

I've been testing Privoxy on the DrudgeReport, which I hasten to add I do not read, but it does seem to have the highest number of these little pop-under blighters per mouse click on the web.

Privoxy stops 'em in their tracks. Civilisation is safe.

It should work for every browser.

MBHockey
02-23-2005, 04:38 PM
How do i configure it? I ran the terminal command from the privoxy site to run StartPrivoxy.command

But i don't know what to do next.

bramley
02-23-2005, 04:58 PM
How do i configure it? I ran the terminal command from the privoxy site to run StartPrivoxy.command

But i don't know what to do next.

I'm still fine tuning the options - I can't stand popups, and pop-unders, but I don't mind the ads Rob has up.

The User Manual. (http://www.privoxy.org/user-manual/index.html) You can configure Privoxy through your browser at the following URL: http://config.privoxy.org/ If you haven't set up a web proxy, you should get a warning saying Privoxy isn't doing anything.

If this is the case then go System Preferences -> Network -> Network Status -> and select whatever means you use to connect to the web i.e Airport, Ethernet, etc. -> Configure -> Proxies -> Check 'Web Proxy (HTTP)' -> and enter '127.0.01' under Web Proxy Server, with a port number of 8118. Then you should be able to see the correct config page at the above URL, and play. Privoxy will also correctly operating.

MBHockey
02-23-2005, 05:52 PM
Nice...i got it up and running. How do i configure it to block pop-unders though? I already got one when going to ebaumsworld.com.

I see privoxy has pop-up blocking on, but nothing for pop-unders...

bramley
02-24-2005, 04:53 AM
Well, as Hayne as pointed out on another thread, it's a question of bashing the Javascript for the site.

To be honest, I've only just installed Privoxy, and haven't gone through all the options yet.

And of course, it's possible that some pop-unders will still get through. The Drudge Report's pop-unders seem to come along with every link you click - and Privoxy disables these as a default. There are probably other techniques that sites use that will need a little work to recognise and disable.

sanguivore
04-10-2005, 10:37 AM
There must be a way to block unwanted sties without instaling third party software, cant these sites be redirected to 127.0.0.1 somehow?
I know its a simple matter of editing the host file on a windows machine, is there any such possibility here?

Echidnae
04-10-2005, 02:29 PM
I've found that many of the pop-unders are stopped if you install a flashblock in your browser.

http://flashblock.mozdev.org/

If anyone is using a Camino nightly build from March or later, they can install CamiFlash (http://www.nada.de/mac/camitools/camiflash.html) which does th e same thing as flashblock in Camino.

Flashblock stops the pop-unders that appear when you load a page for some reason. You can see the pop-under blocked by flashblock in the top lefthand corner of a site that has these things.

This does not however block the pop-ups that you get from sites when you click a link.

MBHockey
04-10-2005, 06:15 PM
For those of you that don't use a Mozilla browser (I myself use Safari), I find that PithHelmet solves the pop-under problem.