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cameranerd74
02-05-2005, 03:46 PM
I spend a lot of time on the Slashdot Apple (http://apple.slashdot.org) pages, and I've noticed that whenever Apple introduces something new it seems like everyone has to chime in to talk about how much it sucks. Here's an example (http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/19/213255&tid=137&tid=174&tid=4). You really don't see a lot of Apple fans spending time dogging the latest & greatest tablet PC just because Apple doesn't make one, do ya?

I'm a COMPUTER user, by that I mean I can appreciate Macs, Windows, Linux, you name it. I think Tablet PC's are bitchin', I think NLD (http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/index.html?sourceidint=productsmenu_nld_bottom) is one of the most solid operating systems ever made, but I also think the Mac mini is a modern engineering masterpiece.

How do we stop the hate?

Phil St. Romain
02-05-2005, 03:52 PM
. . .
How do we stop the hate?

Just don't respond to it.

I've seen considerable, ignorant Windows-hatred among Mac users through the years, btw, and even lots of venom spouted about OS X. It all seems kind of silly to get that worked up over a computer and OS, when you get right down to it. :cool:

Xd
02-05-2005, 04:40 PM
Well cameranerd I agree with Phil. But, you posted in my other thread and heard me talk highly about both the mac and PC. In fact several others agreed. We had long discussions that were not negative at all.

But as an absolute coincidence when I was visiting ResEx like 4minutes ago someone gave this link as a great article to read:
http://macusersforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3912
http://sfgate.com/columnists/morford/

I think it goes both ways.

CAlvarez
02-05-2005, 05:11 PM
Have you noticed that most Mac users blindly hate Windows? No different I guess, people will speak against anything they don't understand and that they fear.

cameranerd74
02-05-2005, 05:27 PM
you posted in my other thread and heard me talk highly about both the mac and PC. In fact several others agreed. We had long discussions that were not negative at all.

My point exactly! Why aren't more people as open-minded as us? You can mention the word "Windows" on a Mac forum with no negative feedback, but you say "Mac" on a Windows forum and get booed off the page. I guess I don't understand it. I'm an MCP, and I'm currently attending night school for my Linux certs. You would not believe how much crap I get for being a Mac user. Why?

edit: spelling

cwtnospam
02-05-2005, 05:28 PM
Have you noticed that most Mac users blindly hate Windows?
Not true. Mac users who hate Windows very often have good reasons and they don't all have to do with it being another OS. Fact is, they usually know more about Windows and its history than Windows users know about Macs. That's part of why they buy Macs.

manic_mouse
02-05-2005, 06:40 PM
exactly... i still consider myself a mac n00b, (since nov 15 2003) and had been using windoze since the days of 3.1. i just find windows problems (although i know how to fix them) are annoying and headache causing. my mac problems are small little ones like saying theres too much chocolate in my muffin. ( tho when can there be too much chocolate in a muffin??) (damn i want a muffin now, why do i have to decide this at 12:38am???)

Craig R. Arko
02-05-2005, 07:08 PM
I try not to hate anyone's computing platform. It's far more productive to pick on their choice of beer. :)

cwtnospam
02-05-2005, 07:38 PM
I try not to hate anyone's computing platform. It's far more productive to pick on their choice of beer. :)
If I was allowed to have Budwieser at the office, but couldn't have a Sam Adams, Heineken, or any other brand, I'd hate Bud.

Craig R. Arko
02-05-2005, 07:50 PM
If I was allowed to have Budwieser at the office, but couldn't have a Sam Adams, Heineken, or any other brand, I'd hate Bud.

I suspect that would just be covering up for actually hating your bosses. I can get whatever I can afford for my office. I like my boss. ;)

cwtnospam
02-05-2005, 07:58 PM
I suspect that would just be covering up for actually hating your bosses. I can get whatever I can afford for my office. I like my boss. ;)
My boss, or my IT department & Bud. Inc for using its corporate muscle to force choice out of the equation under the pretext that returning the same bottles was somehow more efficient.

robot_guy
02-05-2005, 09:39 PM
I try not to hate anyone's computing platform. It's far more productive to pick on their choice of beer. :)
I think I'll always prefer Apple Beer (http://www.applebeer.com/timeline.htm) to Microsoft Beer (http://www.msboycott.com/media/microsoft_beer_tap.mp3)<--[mp3 link] :)

Xd
02-06-2005, 12:28 AM
You would not believe how much crap I get for being a Mac user. Why?

The TRULY important part is that you learn not take it so personally and understand that you are much better off recognizing the benefits in each OS as opposed to merely hating one of them. This is really is a sybiotic relationship M$/Apple and if you have the ability to recognize that, feel for those who do not.

cameranerd74
02-06-2005, 10:43 AM
Well said Xd.

I went to Macworld last month, and I was amazed at the number of attendees at the Microsoft booth, it was one of busiest booths at the show. All the Vitual PC demonstrations were standing room only, and (while waitng in line for the keynote) I had a friendly little 'Windows vs. Linux vs. Mac for servers' dicussion with 3 other guys I'd never met before. All very constructive.

In contrast, when I go to class, I get called "Mr. Macintrash" and one time somebody wrote "MAC DOT COM" or my car window in soap. Granted it's done if a fun way, but that dynamic has always baffled me.

RacerX
02-06-2005, 11:11 AM
Have you noticed that most Mac users blindly hate Windows? No different I guess, people will speak against anything they don't understand and that they fear.
That is assuming that Mac users and PC users are coming from the same set of experiences... and that is really just not the case.

Take a Mac user, where do they actually have a choice in platform? Usually home. Sometimes they can get it in their work environment or possibly school. But odds are that some where, some time they were forced into a Windows environment without choice. That is not blindly hating Windows because they have been forced to use Windows.

On the other hand most Windows users need never use Macs in their computing lives. Macs are not forced on them, Macs represent no threat of extinction to their platform of choice, they don't even have to acknowledge their existence if they don't want to.

Most Mac users that have strong opinions against Windows have experience with Windows. And not just any experience, usually the experience starts with that platform being forced on them in some way.



Having worked on, worked with and serviced Windows systems I'm very much aware of their flaws. Having had to act as a liaison between one of my clients and Microsoft's lawyers, I've had first hand experience as to what type of warm and fussy company they are.

I can assure you that my dislike for Windows and Microsoft comes from a full and clear vision of both. And most Mac users at one time or another have been forced to see and use Windows. There is very little that is blind about Mac users dislike for Windows.

cwtnospam
02-06-2005, 11:32 AM
There is very little that is blind about Mac users dislike for Windows.
Thank you. I wish I could have said it as well as you did.

CAlvarez
02-06-2005, 02:53 PM
Windows people are wrong to dislike Macs and Mac users are right to dislike Windows. :rolleyes: Right. I'm not even going to bother going there.

I get very little negativity among my technical peers and colleagues regarding my Mac use. Shock and surprise, yes, but once that wears off I get a lot of very interesting questions and tech people are genuinely interested in the differences. I'm finding a bit of a trend with good tech people to go toward other operating systems.

This of course is with seasoned, competent, and confident tech people. The ones just out of some tech school fear anything that they don't know. Then there are the ones that run Linux on their toaster oven and think anything that isn't Linux is crap. I rarely interact with those types, usually it's just to escort them to the door before I get on with real work.

cwtnospam
02-06-2005, 04:29 PM
Windows people are wrong to dislike Macs and Mac users are right to dislike Windows. :rolleyes: Right. I'm not even going to bother going there.

This of course is with seasoned, competent, and confident tech people. The ones just out of some tech school fear anything that they don't know. Then there are the ones that run Linux on their toaster oven and think anything that isn't Linux is crap. I rarely interact with those types, usually it's just to escort them to the door before I get on with real work.

You've criticized Mac users who don't like Windows for "blind hatred," but your own experience with the Mac is limited to the most recent versions of the OS. You can't possibly understand what it has been like to work under the thumb of incompetent IT departments over the last twenty one years.

I am not referring to newer and poorly educated individuals here. An Information Technology Department's job is to manage technology. That means that if it's a computer, it's their job to support it if a department uses it. The mere fact that the majority of corporate IT departments have shirked their duties and arbitrarily chosen to force one "standard" on all they influence is a scathing indictment of these so-called professionals who work at the top levels of IT management.

Craig R. Arko
02-06-2005, 04:37 PM
Cameranerd74: it seems the answer to your question is being played out in miniature (and in multiple directions) within this very thread.

CAlvarez
02-06-2005, 06:16 PM
but your own experience with the Mac is limited to the most recent versions of the OS.
I've used Macs since the first one, and Apple since the IIe. I've never found them to be useful business tools until X, but that's my opinion and I know you think it's wrong. Even the IIe was just my play machine and the Heathkit H9/H19 next to it was the coding/work machine. I still have a closet with various Macs in the 10-80MHz range, my favorite being a 7100/AV with os 7.5.

I disagree on the duty/job of IT. I find nothing useful in painting all of us IT types with the same brush, I've said it, don't want to argue it again. Continuing to hold that against Windows itself and rather the specific people is counter-productive, and in my opinion, part of the "blind hatred" that neither side any good.

This is turning into another Windows vs. Mac jihad, so I'll bow out now. Nothing good can come of it. To the original poster, yes, there are prejudices against a lot of things; race, religion, and even computers. Someone needs to be the bigger man and stop, for as long as both sides do it, nothing will improve.

cwtnospam
02-06-2005, 06:48 PM
This is turning into another Windows vs. Mac jihad, so I'll bow out now. Nothing good can come of it. To the original poster, yes, there are prejudices against a lot of things; race, religion, and even computers. Someone needs to be the bigger man and stop, for as long as both sides do it, nothing will improve.
No, it's not. Given the choice, I'll use any OS other than Windows. I see nothing good coming from supporting a monopoly, especially one that has created more problems than it's solved.

As for the duties of an IT department, I remind you that any IT department is only part of a company. It is not the company, and is not and should not be more important than any other department. Allowing IT to limit choices of computer types is like letting the accountants decide they don't want to deal with inventory or taxes.

Phil St. Romain
02-06-2005, 07:11 PM
OK, this is a continuation of the discussion from another thread, where it had become old. cwtnospam and CAlvarez, how about you PM each other to continue your discussion.

As the issue of whether "PC users blindly hate Macs" cannot ever be anything but a judgmental opinion ("blindly," being an unprovable assumption), I'm thinking this thread has no real future. With a concurring vote from a moderator, we'll close it down.

macmath
02-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Religion choice and computer choice, although they are different, are personal choices which do not need to affect other people negatively. Therefore, as long as they do not affect other people negatively, they should be unassailable. "....right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of OS happiness." However, because this choice is so personal, people get easily inflamed over it. That is why there is such animosity on both sides. There is just more animosity on the Windows side because there are more predominate (10% of 3 % is 0.3% Mac animosity toward Windows and 10% of 90% is 9% Windows animosity toward Macs.

Craig R. Arko
02-06-2005, 08:28 PM
OK, this is a continuation of the discussion from another thread, where it had become old. cwtnospam and CAlvarez, how about you PM each other to continue your discussion.

As the issue of whether "PC users blindly hate Macs" cannot ever be anything but a judgmental opinion ("blindly," being an unprovable assumption), I'm thinking this thread has no real future. With a concurring vote from a moderator, we'll close it down.


Suits me. I'm not a big fan of promoting blindness.

Phil St. Romain
02-06-2005, 08:37 PM
Suits me. I'm not a big fan of promoting blindness.

Okey dokey. ;)